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Masonic Notes And Queries.

[ Gadieke says they " aresuch as have been formed hy avaricious Freemasons , who take money from those people who can have no idea of the difference betiveen warranted and unwarranted lodges . " Any number of Masons forming themselves into a lodge without the approbation previously obtained from a Grand Lodge is clandestine : and any lodgehowever regular it

, might have been at its formation , continuing to work after the revocation of its warrant , by proper authority , is deemed clandestine , aud its membership clandestine or irregular Masons . "With such lodges , and their membership , no regular Mason can Masonically associate .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The "EdUoy is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents . PROVINCIAL GRAND MASTERS . t £ 0 ttHE EDITOR OP TIIE FREEMASONS' 3 IAGAZ 1 NE AUD JTASOSIC 3 IIK 310 E . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —After an interval of a year and three quartersa meeting of the Provincial

, Grand Lodge of Jersey has been called and held for the purpose of installing a D . Prov . G . M ., as mentioned in the report already communicated to you . Allow me to quote from the by-laws of the Jersey Provincial Grand Lodge . " 1 . That this Provincial Grand Lodge shall be held

once in every year at the least , at such place as the Prov . G . M . shall be pleased to appoint . " 10 . A preparatory committee , consisting of * * shall meet on the Tuesday previous to the annual meeting of the Provincial Grand Lodge , at which meeting any member of the Provincial Grand Lod

ge desirous of making a motion therein , or of submitting any matter to the consideration of the Provincial Grand Lodge , shall give notice of the same to the Prov . G . Sec . in writinsr . . . . And no motion or

other matter shall be brought under discussion in the Provincial Grand Lodge unless it shall have been previously communicated to the aforesaid committee . " Upon this I remark , first , that the Prov . G . M . has been pleased to break the first by-law ; secondly , that interval

so long an having elapsed , he ought to have called a preparatory committee before the meeting ; but nothing of the kind was done ; therefore he broke the 10 th law . The inference to he drawn is , that Prov . G . M . ' s are above the laws , which are made only to keep inferior Masons in order .

One great cause of dissatisfaction among the members of the province at the neglect to hold a meeting . of the Prov . Grand Lodge at the regular period , arises from the fact , that the fees payable by Prov . G . Officers on their appointment , which are unusually heavy in Jersey , have not been collected for one year ,

as there were no fresh elections , and thus the sum of £ 19 19 s . has been lost to the Provincial Grand Lodge funds , which it appears are far from being in a flourishing condition . After the installation , I rose for the purpose of proposing two resolutions , complimentary to the retiring and incoming deputies , for Avhich this appeared the most fitting and graceful time , conceiving that the Prov- G . M ., having broken two laws , would

Correspondence.

permit my propositions as quite m accordance with , and indeed a part of , the business of the day . I suppose he smelt a rat , at least so ifc has been suggested to me , and though other brethren brought forward precedents for the course I desired to adopt , my request was peremptorily refused . Under all circumstances it was natural that he should be suspicious

, dreading opposition , fearful lest " unpleasing truths here mortify the vain , " but ifc was not right , as it appears to me , so to use his position as to treat a number of gentlemen like mere puppets pulled hy the string of a Punch and Judy showman ; nor wjukl some of us have submitted so peaceablybut that

, there Avere several reasons for wishing on that occasion to be perfectly courteous , and to afford not the shadow of ground for complaint . I am informed that the Prov . G . M . afterwards " thanked God that the affair was over , and that , contrary to expectation , the meeting had passed off quietly without his having

been bullied ; thus rendering it one of the happiest days of his life . " Does not this look like a consciousness of deserving such treatment ? I shall he glad to have the opinions of others on the course

pursued at the meeting , though none but those who are conversant with all the circumstances can fully estimate the case . The question naturally suggests itself , whether a man so situated is fit for Prov . G . M . Two attempts have already been made to displace him , with matters

connected with one of Avhieh your readers are partially acquainted , and are therefore aAvare of the difficulties to be encountered . Please God , hoAvever , we ivill make another , even though but three can be found to join in it , unless we are previously gagged by the execution of a threatened suspensionthe object of

, which will he evident , for an alleged , but disputed , trivial breach ol Masonic law , or rather etiquette , which in the view of some appears to be more heinous than offences against the moral Jaws of truth , honour , chastity , & e . Any delay thus caused can be but temporaryand if we ultimatelfailthe Masonic

, y , world will see the effect of regulations in the Book of Constitutions which make Prov . G . M . ' s de facto , irresponsible . Whether the authorities in London can be incited to adopt a remedy is another matter , and if the present state of things is upheld , we may with reason exclaim with Dogberry iu the play ,

" Fore God , they are botb in a tale . " Tours fraternally , P . M Jersey , April 17 th . 1866 .

Popery And Freemasonry.

POPERY AND FREEMASONRY .

TO TIIE EDITOtt OE THE EEEEMASOSS' MAGAZINE AKD MASONIC HISHOK . DEAR SIR AUD BROTHER , —Every true Mason owes you a tribute of gratitude for having exhumed from that oblivion into which they had sunk for many years , those monita seereta that will ever form a lasting monument erected to its own infamy by the

most mischievous aggregation of men that ever disturbed the peace of the world . But will you allow me to submit a few observation with reference to the mode in ivhich you treat the subject . Ton seem to identify the head of the Soman Catholic Church with Jesuitism , and thus establish a joint responsibility between the Pope and the Jesuits' General ; all the

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RECOLLECTIONS OF THE LODGE OF FREEMASONS AT THORNHILL. Article 1
THE POPE A FREEMASON. Article 3
THE DOCTRINES OF JESUITISM. Article 3
MONITA SECRETA SOCIETAS JESU. Article 4
ORATION DELIVERED BY BRO. THE REV. H. G. VERNON, M.A., PROV. G. CHAPLAIN, LANCASHIRE (WEST), AT THE CONSECRATION OF THE TEMPLE LODGE (1094). Article 6
LODGE OFFICERS, THEIR POWERS AND DUTIES. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 9
POPERY AND FREEMASONRY. Article 9
Untitled Article 10
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 10
MASONIC MEM. Article 10
GRAND LODGE. Article 10
METROPOLITAN. Article 14
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
SHROPSHIRE AND NORTH WALES. Article 15
MARK MASONRY. Article 18
ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE. Article 18
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 18
REVIEWS. Article 18
MEETINGS OF THE SCIENTIFIC AND LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING MAY 4TH, 1866. Article 19
THE WEEK. Article 19
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

[ Gadieke says they " aresuch as have been formed hy avaricious Freemasons , who take money from those people who can have no idea of the difference betiveen warranted and unwarranted lodges . " Any number of Masons forming themselves into a lodge without the approbation previously obtained from a Grand Lodge is clandestine : and any lodgehowever regular it

, might have been at its formation , continuing to work after the revocation of its warrant , by proper authority , is deemed clandestine , aud its membership clandestine or irregular Masons . "With such lodges , and their membership , no regular Mason can Masonically associate .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The "EdUoy is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents . PROVINCIAL GRAND MASTERS . t £ 0 ttHE EDITOR OP TIIE FREEMASONS' 3 IAGAZ 1 NE AUD JTASOSIC 3 IIK 310 E . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —After an interval of a year and three quartersa meeting of the Provincial

, Grand Lodge of Jersey has been called and held for the purpose of installing a D . Prov . G . M ., as mentioned in the report already communicated to you . Allow me to quote from the by-laws of the Jersey Provincial Grand Lodge . " 1 . That this Provincial Grand Lodge shall be held

once in every year at the least , at such place as the Prov . G . M . shall be pleased to appoint . " 10 . A preparatory committee , consisting of * * shall meet on the Tuesday previous to the annual meeting of the Provincial Grand Lodge , at which meeting any member of the Provincial Grand Lod

ge desirous of making a motion therein , or of submitting any matter to the consideration of the Provincial Grand Lodge , shall give notice of the same to the Prov . G . Sec . in writinsr . . . . And no motion or

other matter shall be brought under discussion in the Provincial Grand Lodge unless it shall have been previously communicated to the aforesaid committee . " Upon this I remark , first , that the Prov . G . M . has been pleased to break the first by-law ; secondly , that interval

so long an having elapsed , he ought to have called a preparatory committee before the meeting ; but nothing of the kind was done ; therefore he broke the 10 th law . The inference to he drawn is , that Prov . G . M . ' s are above the laws , which are made only to keep inferior Masons in order .

One great cause of dissatisfaction among the members of the province at the neglect to hold a meeting . of the Prov . Grand Lodge at the regular period , arises from the fact , that the fees payable by Prov . G . Officers on their appointment , which are unusually heavy in Jersey , have not been collected for one year ,

as there were no fresh elections , and thus the sum of £ 19 19 s . has been lost to the Provincial Grand Lodge funds , which it appears are far from being in a flourishing condition . After the installation , I rose for the purpose of proposing two resolutions , complimentary to the retiring and incoming deputies , for Avhich this appeared the most fitting and graceful time , conceiving that the Prov- G . M ., having broken two laws , would

Correspondence.

permit my propositions as quite m accordance with , and indeed a part of , the business of the day . I suppose he smelt a rat , at least so ifc has been suggested to me , and though other brethren brought forward precedents for the course I desired to adopt , my request was peremptorily refused . Under all circumstances it was natural that he should be suspicious

, dreading opposition , fearful lest " unpleasing truths here mortify the vain , " but ifc was not right , as it appears to me , so to use his position as to treat a number of gentlemen like mere puppets pulled hy the string of a Punch and Judy showman ; nor wjukl some of us have submitted so peaceablybut that

, there Avere several reasons for wishing on that occasion to be perfectly courteous , and to afford not the shadow of ground for complaint . I am informed that the Prov . G . M . afterwards " thanked God that the affair was over , and that , contrary to expectation , the meeting had passed off quietly without his having

been bullied ; thus rendering it one of the happiest days of his life . " Does not this look like a consciousness of deserving such treatment ? I shall he glad to have the opinions of others on the course

pursued at the meeting , though none but those who are conversant with all the circumstances can fully estimate the case . The question naturally suggests itself , whether a man so situated is fit for Prov . G . M . Two attempts have already been made to displace him , with matters

connected with one of Avhieh your readers are partially acquainted , and are therefore aAvare of the difficulties to be encountered . Please God , hoAvever , we ivill make another , even though but three can be found to join in it , unless we are previously gagged by the execution of a threatened suspensionthe object of

, which will he evident , for an alleged , but disputed , trivial breach ol Masonic law , or rather etiquette , which in the view of some appears to be more heinous than offences against the moral Jaws of truth , honour , chastity , & e . Any delay thus caused can be but temporaryand if we ultimatelfailthe Masonic

, y , world will see the effect of regulations in the Book of Constitutions which make Prov . G . M . ' s de facto , irresponsible . Whether the authorities in London can be incited to adopt a remedy is another matter , and if the present state of things is upheld , we may with reason exclaim with Dogberry iu the play ,

" Fore God , they are botb in a tale . " Tours fraternally , P . M Jersey , April 17 th . 1866 .

Popery And Freemasonry.

POPERY AND FREEMASONRY .

TO TIIE EDITOtt OE THE EEEEMASOSS' MAGAZINE AKD MASONIC HISHOK . DEAR SIR AUD BROTHER , —Every true Mason owes you a tribute of gratitude for having exhumed from that oblivion into which they had sunk for many years , those monita seereta that will ever form a lasting monument erected to its own infamy by the

most mischievous aggregation of men that ever disturbed the peace of the world . But will you allow me to submit a few observation with reference to the mode in ivhich you treat the subject . Ton seem to identify the head of the Soman Catholic Church with Jesuitism , and thus establish a joint responsibility between the Pope and the Jesuits' General ; all the

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