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Correspondence.
CORRESPONDENCE .
We do not hold ourselves responsible for the opinions of onr Correspondents . WP cannot undertake to return rejected communications . All Letters must bear the name and nciclress 0 / the Writer , not necessarily for publication , but as a guarantee of good faith .
ELECTION OE SECRETARY R . M . I . EOR GIRLS . To the Editor of the FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BRO ., —I hear that a report has gained currency to the effect that T havo retire ' from the contest now pending for tho election of a S' cretarv to the Roval Masonic Institution for Girls .
Wi'l you kindly allow mo , through tho medium of your valuable paper , most emphatically to contradict this , and furthermore to assure mv numerous friends and supporters that I havo every reason to hope their efforts on my behalf will be crowned with success . Yours fraternally ,
WILLIAM WORRELL , P . M ., P . Z ., A-c . 67 Knowle Road , Brixton , S . W . 2 nd July 1878 .
To the Editor of the FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE . SIR , —I am mnch surprised to find that my name is omitted from the list of Eligible Candidates in your report of tho meeting of the General Committee of this Institution . I enclose a copy of a note I received from Bro . II . A . Dubois , on
the 15 th ult ., announcing that " the Committee had unanimously agreed to report me to tho General Committee as an eli gible candidate for tho vacant Secretaryship , " subject to my sending in a
certificate of my birth . This was dnly complied with . As the omission of my name in your report is seriously injuring my prospect of success , I shall rely upon your spirit of justice to publish this letter in your edition this week .
I am , Sir , Your obedient servant , F . A . WHITE . 1 Kings' Arms Yard , London , EC . 1 st July 1878 .
( Copy . ) ROYAL MASONIC INSTITUTION TOR GIRLS . Freemasons' Hall , W . C . 14 th June 1878 . DEAR SIR AND BRO ., — I havo tho pleasure to inform yon that at
a meeting of the House Committee , held at Freemasons' Hall , on Thursday last ( under rule 45 ) , after your testimonials wero oxanined , the Committee unanimously agreed to report yon to tho General Committee as an eligible candidate for the vanant Secretaryship of this Institution , subject to your forwarding to tne , under cover , by Wednesday next , tho 19 th inst ., a certificate of your birth .
I am , Dear Sir and Brother , Yours fraternally , ( Signed ) IT . A . DUBOIS , To Bro . F . A . White . Chairman on the Beta .
Pine's Lists Of Old Lodges.
PINE'S LISTS OF OLD LODGES .
To the Editor of THE FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Your " Reviewer" has undoubtedly traced several differences between my analysis of Pine ' s List of 1734 , and the present most interesting scries of articles by Bro . R . F . Gould P . M ., & c . These differences havo mainly arisen through tho uncertain , and often contradictory evidence of these early lists ,
both private and official , hut now that others havo been found , especially of Pine ' s engraving , by desire of Bro . Gould I have reinvestigated tho whole matter , and after considerable correspondence with him we have unitedly adopted the numeration , dates , names and arrangements which he has of late so lucidly explained . One source of difficulty was that the positions of three Lodges wero reversed ,
hence the present 12 , 14 and 16 , had they remained as originally chartered , wonld bo exactly reversed , as 1 G was 9 of the early Pine ' s Lists , 14 was 10 , and 12 was 11 . Tho means by which wo have arrived at the resnlt stated by Bro . Gonld , while I feel sure it , would interest your " Reviewer" ( who has evidently considerable taste and ability for that class of work ) , would fail to please the general reader , and so I omit all explanations save tho foregoing .
1 do not think , however , that tho Fortitude and Old Cumberland Lodge of to-day ( No . 12 ) can claim any especial privileges by reason of the members of one of the old " time immemorial " Lodges joining its ranks , because by working under a Warrant they forfeited their privilege of assembling without a charter , aud of being one of the
four earliest numbers , the only privilege really they hud . I think with Bro . Gonld , that nnmbers two and four of to-day shonld have been placed at the head of the Roll , but the " Ancients " did not set tho exnmplo ns to this matter , bnt the " Mode ns , " who long before the "Union" had the Stewaids' Lodge placed without a number before the Lodge of Antiqrity and its sister Lodge , No . 2 .
Fraternally yours , WM . JAMES HUGHAN . Truro , 29 th June 1878 .
Lodge Victoria In Burmah.
LODGE VICTORIA IN BURMAH .
To the Editor of the FREEMASON s CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BRO ., —In my letter of tho 13 th April last , regarding the contumacious disobedience of the W . M . of Lodge " Victoria
in Burmah , " No . 832 , Rangoon , in refusing to re-admit , or evading tho re-ndmission , of Bros . A . L . Vaillant , J . N . Seymonr , J . C . Jordan , E . T . Dover , and J . Marsh , into Lodgo No . 832 , in compliance with the edict of the Grand Lodge , dated the 5 th December 1877 , I stated : —
"It is contemplated now that as soon as the five brethren shall present themselves at the Lodgo the W . M . shall either close his Lodgo , or the Masonic phalanx nnder him shall walk out and leave tho five brethren , or any one or moro of them , in possession to do thoir own wicked will . " The regnlar meeting of the Lodge was held on the 10 th inst ., to
which tho five excluded brethren were summoned . Thoy wero in attendance before the Lodgo opened , when it was suggested to them that thoy should wait outside the door of tho Lodgo till the Lodge wag opened , and then seek admission . This course commending itself to tho five brethren , they waited outside , and in due course sought admission ; tho Tyler was directed not to admit them ; after a
little while , Bro . A . Bald , the Jnnior Warden and Secretary , asked to bo passed out , as he had a difference with thoso brethren , and that ho declined to sit in Lodgo with them . On B > o . Bald coming out , tho five brethren discussed tho matter with him , and , repudiating any personal difference with him or any member of the Lodge , enquired
what difference he had with them ? Bro . Bald stated that it was a difference relating to tho appeal to the Grand Lodgo . Tho brethren then suggested , either through the Senior Warden or somo other brother , that as they had no difference with any brother , they shonld bo admitted .
Wor . Bro . J . Dawson D . D . G . M . in the absence of W . Bro . C . T . Baxendalo being in the chair , replied , that ho could not discuss tho matter with brethren who wero outside the door of tho Lodge—the brethren being kept outside against their will . The Lodge was then worked in the second and third degree , and when lowered the brethren again sought admission , when they were informed that Bro . A . Bald had stated that he had a difference , and that , therefore ,
those with whom ho had a difference shonld keep out also . Ion may well conceive that this difference was only a pretended one ( and , in fact , I am in a position to givo you my personal assurance that tho difference was mere pretence , affecting to be founded npon a construction of a portion of our Ritual ) , and that its real object was to disobey with assumed impunity tho positive orders of the M . W . tho Grand Master .
It appears to me , that as it takes two parties to make a difference as well as a quarrel , when the five brethren disclaimed having any difference ( and there was not a brother in Lodge who doubted thoir statement ) with Bro . Bald , they should havo been admitted , and Bro . Bald permitted to remain without the door of the Lodge , if ho chose . I understand that onr retiring D . G . M . R . W . Bro . Colonel
IT . T . Duncan C . S . I ., is of tho same opinion as tho rebellions ones of Lodgo No . 832 , and that he holds a brief from tho Lodgo to urge this point ( and tho matter of the exclusion nnd re-admission of tho five brethren generally ) on tho Grand Lodge of England , so that tho G . L ., knowing tho brethren of No . 832 conscientiously could not , or contumaciously and rebellionsly would not , receive the five
brethren again into tho Lodge , the G . Lodgo would rescind the order of tho 5 th December 1877 , and th"reby stultify itself . I am told R . W . Bro . II . Krauss , onr present D . G . M ., is of the same opinion as the brethren of No . 832 , and their alleged advocate before the G . Lodge . For myself , such shallowness provokes a smile of contempt , followed by no small amount of annoyance , to find that
there aro weak-minded brethren even in Masonic high places ; brethren who , by their want of judgment and vacillation , appear to givo oneonragement to the present contumacions rebellion in Lodgo No . 832 . I learn that tho brethren have again complained to the M . W . the G . M . of England , and implored his protection , but it is perfectly futile , for tho W . M . of No . 832 ( XV . Bro . C . T . Baxendalo ) ,
forgetful of his obligation , pays no more heed to tho mandate of the M . W . the G . M . than he does to the orders of the D . G . M ., and so tho five brethren aro at this date no nearer admission than they were on the 5 th December 1877 , for they aro still without tho door of the Lodge . Jndging from what passes around me , it would appear that those
whose duty it is to enforce , without a moment ' s delay , the order of G . L . of 5 th December 1877 , directing the re-admission of these brethren ( with whom there is not much class sympathy ) , aro more concerned about the status of Bro . the Rev . J . E . Marks ( who belongs to their set ) than about insisting upon a restoration to their Masonio privileges of the five brethren who have been
unfeelingly aud unrighteously excluded from their Lodge , though nought can be urged against their moral worth . It is time , I submit , that some severe measures should be taken with the contumacious and rebellious members of Lodge No . 832 , and the punishment should be a personal ono , so that tho Lodge be not destroyed . Vours fraternally ,
A LOOKER Ov . Rangoon , 24 th May 1878 , Empress ' s Birthday .
HOLIOWAY ' S O IXTWEXT Axti PiLt . s . —Tl : i ( l Legs . -Any unnatural discharge from the skin is at all time * disagreeable , but in hot weather it becomes irritating—sometimes offensive . Unit legs , old wounds , scrofula , and scorbutic eruptions are cooled , soot ' ied , and cured by Holloway's Ointment . It . at oncearrests all diseases of tho surface by purifying and regulating the circulation in their neighbourhood by giving energy to tlie nerves of the affected part , and li . v expelling all poisonous and noxious matters . It , ejects the seeds of nil vi : ulent eruptions and ulcerations , and thus confers no partial or temporary boon , but a . complete and permanent euro . By means of these remedies all sufferers may aim at attaining health , and will invariably succeed .
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Correspondence.
CORRESPONDENCE .
We do not hold ourselves responsible for the opinions of onr Correspondents . WP cannot undertake to return rejected communications . All Letters must bear the name and nciclress 0 / the Writer , not necessarily for publication , but as a guarantee of good faith .
ELECTION OE SECRETARY R . M . I . EOR GIRLS . To the Editor of the FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BRO ., —I hear that a report has gained currency to the effect that T havo retire ' from the contest now pending for tho election of a S' cretarv to the Roval Masonic Institution for Girls .
Wi'l you kindly allow mo , through tho medium of your valuable paper , most emphatically to contradict this , and furthermore to assure mv numerous friends and supporters that I havo every reason to hope their efforts on my behalf will be crowned with success . Yours fraternally ,
WILLIAM WORRELL , P . M ., P . Z ., A-c . 67 Knowle Road , Brixton , S . W . 2 nd July 1878 .
To the Editor of the FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE . SIR , —I am mnch surprised to find that my name is omitted from the list of Eligible Candidates in your report of tho meeting of the General Committee of this Institution . I enclose a copy of a note I received from Bro . II . A . Dubois , on
the 15 th ult ., announcing that " the Committee had unanimously agreed to report me to tho General Committee as an eli gible candidate for tho vacant Secretaryship , " subject to my sending in a
certificate of my birth . This was dnly complied with . As the omission of my name in your report is seriously injuring my prospect of success , I shall rely upon your spirit of justice to publish this letter in your edition this week .
I am , Sir , Your obedient servant , F . A . WHITE . 1 Kings' Arms Yard , London , EC . 1 st July 1878 .
( Copy . ) ROYAL MASONIC INSTITUTION TOR GIRLS . Freemasons' Hall , W . C . 14 th June 1878 . DEAR SIR AND BRO ., — I havo tho pleasure to inform yon that at
a meeting of the House Committee , held at Freemasons' Hall , on Thursday last ( under rule 45 ) , after your testimonials wero oxanined , the Committee unanimously agreed to report yon to tho General Committee as an eligible candidate for the vanant Secretaryship of this Institution , subject to your forwarding to tne , under cover , by Wednesday next , tho 19 th inst ., a certificate of your birth .
I am , Dear Sir and Brother , Yours fraternally , ( Signed ) IT . A . DUBOIS , To Bro . F . A . White . Chairman on the Beta .
Pine's Lists Of Old Lodges.
PINE'S LISTS OF OLD LODGES .
To the Editor of THE FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Your " Reviewer" has undoubtedly traced several differences between my analysis of Pine ' s List of 1734 , and the present most interesting scries of articles by Bro . R . F . Gould P . M ., & c . These differences havo mainly arisen through tho uncertain , and often contradictory evidence of these early lists ,
both private and official , hut now that others havo been found , especially of Pine ' s engraving , by desire of Bro . Gould I have reinvestigated tho whole matter , and after considerable correspondence with him we have unitedly adopted the numeration , dates , names and arrangements which he has of late so lucidly explained . One source of difficulty was that the positions of three Lodges wero reversed ,
hence the present 12 , 14 and 16 , had they remained as originally chartered , wonld bo exactly reversed , as 1 G was 9 of the early Pine ' s Lists , 14 was 10 , and 12 was 11 . Tho means by which wo have arrived at the resnlt stated by Bro . Gonld , while I feel sure it , would interest your " Reviewer" ( who has evidently considerable taste and ability for that class of work ) , would fail to please the general reader , and so I omit all explanations save tho foregoing .
1 do not think , however , that tho Fortitude and Old Cumberland Lodge of to-day ( No . 12 ) can claim any especial privileges by reason of the members of one of the old " time immemorial " Lodges joining its ranks , because by working under a Warrant they forfeited their privilege of assembling without a charter , aud of being one of the
four earliest numbers , the only privilege really they hud . I think with Bro . Gonld , that nnmbers two and four of to-day shonld have been placed at the head of the Roll , but the " Ancients " did not set tho exnmplo ns to this matter , bnt the " Mode ns , " who long before the "Union" had the Stewaids' Lodge placed without a number before the Lodge of Antiqrity and its sister Lodge , No . 2 .
Fraternally yours , WM . JAMES HUGHAN . Truro , 29 th June 1878 .
Lodge Victoria In Burmah.
LODGE VICTORIA IN BURMAH .
To the Editor of the FREEMASON s CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BRO ., —In my letter of tho 13 th April last , regarding the contumacious disobedience of the W . M . of Lodge " Victoria
in Burmah , " No . 832 , Rangoon , in refusing to re-admit , or evading tho re-ndmission , of Bros . A . L . Vaillant , J . N . Seymonr , J . C . Jordan , E . T . Dover , and J . Marsh , into Lodgo No . 832 , in compliance with the edict of the Grand Lodge , dated the 5 th December 1877 , I stated : —
"It is contemplated now that as soon as the five brethren shall present themselves at the Lodgo the W . M . shall either close his Lodgo , or the Masonic phalanx nnder him shall walk out and leave tho five brethren , or any one or moro of them , in possession to do thoir own wicked will . " The regnlar meeting of the Lodge was held on the 10 th inst ., to
which tho five excluded brethren were summoned . Thoy wero in attendance before the Lodgo opened , when it was suggested to them that thoy should wait outside the door of tho Lodgo till the Lodge wag opened , and then seek admission . This course commending itself to tho five brethren , they waited outside , and in due course sought admission ; tho Tyler was directed not to admit them ; after a
little while , Bro . A . Bald , the Jnnior Warden and Secretary , asked to bo passed out , as he had a difference with thoso brethren , and that ho declined to sit in Lodgo with them . On B > o . Bald coming out , tho five brethren discussed tho matter with him , and , repudiating any personal difference with him or any member of the Lodge , enquired
what difference he had with them ? Bro . Bald stated that it was a difference relating to tho appeal to the Grand Lodgo . Tho brethren then suggested , either through the Senior Warden or somo other brother , that as they had no difference with any brother , they shonld bo admitted .
Wor . Bro . J . Dawson D . D . G . M . in the absence of W . Bro . C . T . Baxendalo being in the chair , replied , that ho could not discuss tho matter with brethren who wero outside the door of tho Lodge—the brethren being kept outside against their will . The Lodge was then worked in the second and third degree , and when lowered the brethren again sought admission , when they were informed that Bro . A . Bald had stated that he had a difference , and that , therefore ,
those with whom ho had a difference shonld keep out also . Ion may well conceive that this difference was only a pretended one ( and , in fact , I am in a position to givo you my personal assurance that tho difference was mere pretence , affecting to be founded npon a construction of a portion of our Ritual ) , and that its real object was to disobey with assumed impunity tho positive orders of the M . W . tho Grand Master .
It appears to me , that as it takes two parties to make a difference as well as a quarrel , when the five brethren disclaimed having any difference ( and there was not a brother in Lodge who doubted thoir statement ) with Bro . Bald , they should havo been admitted , and Bro . Bald permitted to remain without the door of the Lodge , if ho chose . I understand that onr retiring D . G . M . R . W . Bro . Colonel
IT . T . Duncan C . S . I ., is of tho same opinion as tho rebellions ones of Lodgo No . 832 , and that he holds a brief from tho Lodgo to urge this point ( and tho matter of the exclusion nnd re-admission of tho five brethren generally ) on tho Grand Lodge of England , so that tho G . L ., knowing tho brethren of No . 832 conscientiously could not , or contumaciously and rebellionsly would not , receive the five
brethren again into tho Lodge , the G . Lodgo would rescind the order of tho 5 th December 1877 , and th"reby stultify itself . I am told R . W . Bro . II . Krauss , onr present D . G . M ., is of the same opinion as the brethren of No . 832 , and their alleged advocate before the G . Lodge . For myself , such shallowness provokes a smile of contempt , followed by no small amount of annoyance , to find that
there aro weak-minded brethren even in Masonic high places ; brethren who , by their want of judgment and vacillation , appear to givo oneonragement to the present contumacions rebellion in Lodgo No . 832 . I learn that tho brethren have again complained to the M . W . the G . M . of England , and implored his protection , but it is perfectly futile , for tho W . M . of No . 832 ( XV . Bro . C . T . Baxendalo ) ,
forgetful of his obligation , pays no more heed to tho mandate of the M . W . the G . M . than he does to the orders of the D . G . M ., and so tho five brethren aro at this date no nearer admission than they were on the 5 th December 1877 , for they aro still without tho door of the Lodge . Jndging from what passes around me , it would appear that those
whose duty it is to enforce , without a moment ' s delay , the order of G . L . of 5 th December 1877 , directing the re-admission of these brethren ( with whom there is not much class sympathy ) , aro more concerned about the status of Bro . the Rev . J . E . Marks ( who belongs to their set ) than about insisting upon a restoration to their Masonio privileges of the five brethren who have been
unfeelingly aud unrighteously excluded from their Lodge , though nought can be urged against their moral worth . It is time , I submit , that some severe measures should be taken with the contumacious and rebellious members of Lodge No . 832 , and the punishment should be a personal ono , so that tho Lodge be not destroyed . Vours fraternally ,
A LOOKER Ov . Rangoon , 24 th May 1878 , Empress ' s Birthday .
HOLIOWAY ' S O IXTWEXT Axti PiLt . s . —Tl : i ( l Legs . -Any unnatural discharge from the skin is at all time * disagreeable , but in hot weather it becomes irritating—sometimes offensive . Unit legs , old wounds , scrofula , and scorbutic eruptions are cooled , soot ' ied , and cured by Holloway's Ointment . It . at oncearrests all diseases of tho surface by purifying and regulating the circulation in their neighbourhood by giving energy to tlie nerves of the affected part , and li . v expelling all poisonous and noxious matters . It , ejects the seeds of nil vi : ulent eruptions and ulcerations , and thus confers no partial or temporary boon , but a . complete and permanent euro . By means of these remedies all sufferers may aim at attaining health , and will invariably succeed .