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Old Undated Masonic Mss.

MSS . give another reason also , viz , on account of llkiclid ' s pupils AVIIO Avere of oentle blood . That Euclid legend , however , was a discovery of a later date ; the Masons who were first forced to adopt the free-born law , kneAv nothing about Euclid's Masonryand that law must have been

, forced on the Mason by the 1385 statute , when the lord Avas empoAvered to take his bondman " as he well may ; " the poem , therefore , could not have been written before 1385 ; but that is not all , for the same further says : —

" The tAvelfth point is of great royalty , There as the assembly holden shall be , There shall be Masons and fellows also , And other great lords many more . There shall be the sheriff of that county , And also the mayor of that city ; Knig hts and squires there shall be , And other aldermen as you shall see . Such ordinances as they make there , They shall maintain it Avhole together . "

The laws of labourers , artizaus , etc ., enacted during the reign of Edward III ., and his successors , must satisfy any man that neither kings , nobles , or other " great men , " temporal or spiritual , would hcTve patronised in those days the Masonic brotherhood by mixing ancl taking part

with them in their deliberations in Masonic assemblies , but on the contrary , the Avhole tenour ancl spirit of those laws demonstrate that the then great men abhored the Avorking men ' s associations as not better than nests of rebellion . The assembl

y above referred to could not therefore have consisted of titled dignitaries , who have learned how to ride the goat , or to squat upon a gridiron ; but it simply refers to the annual assembly of the toAvn or count y officersin accordance Avith the law enacted

, in 1389 . They met for the purpose of fixing the price of labour for the ensuing year , consequently our poem could not liave been written before 1389 . And that is not all , for our MS . further says :

Hie fourteenth point is full of good law ¦ Co him that Avould be under awe , A good ancl true oath he must there swear . * * * # And all these points here before lo them thou must need be sworn , And all shall swear the same oath u * Masons , be they Avilling , be they loth .

The fifteenth point is full of good lore , For them that shall be sworn there , Such ordinance at th' assembly was layd , Of great lords and masters before said . Having already demonstrated that the poem does not allude to a Masonic

assembly ; the oath it administered could , therefore , not have been for Masonic purposes , ancl it must refer to the statute of the 6 th year of Henry IV . requiring labourers and artizans to swear annually to keep the ordinanceand to charge and receive no

, more wages that the assembly ordained . The oath they took there Avas not of their OAvn free will ancl accord , but , " be they Avilling , or be they loth . " As the said statute was not ordained before 1405 , the poem could not have been Avritten before

that year . But CA'en that is not all , for the fifteen articles and fifteen points must haA'e been copied ( exce 2 At the allusions to the Euclid and Athelstan legends ) by tbe poet from an old prose constitution , the age and

history of Avhich was already forgotten and unknown . We knoAv IIOAV that the said constitution Avas Avritten after 1405 , but constant handling for a number of years probably made it look , older than it was . The time intervenincr between the

comp ilation of the original constitution , and the composition of the poem must have been sufficiently long to have obliterated all knowledge of the origin of tiie former , and to have enabled a then Masonic luminary to palm off on the brotherhood its Athelstan oriin . That such was the

g belief of the author of the poem is evident from the following lines : Fifteen articles there they sought , And fifteen points there they Avrought . NOAV , assuming that the said constitution , with fifteen articlesetc ., was compiled in

, 1405 , and that thirty or forty years was sufficient to obliterate all knoAvledge of its origin , so that the Athelstan legend could become crystalized among the brethren ; the poem then could not have been written before 1435 or 1445 .

Bro . Closs dated the poem between 1427 and 1445 , by what method of reasoning he arrived at that conclusion 1 know not . If Bro . Findel is in possession of Bro . Closs ' reason for tbe same , he Avould confer a great favour , by submitting those reasons through the pages of the " Ma ° onic Magazine . "

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GEORGE PRINCE OF WALES Article 1
Monthly Masonic Summary. Article 2
THE ORIGIN AND REFERENCES OF THE HERMESIAN SPURIOUS FREEMASONRY. Article 3
THE MINUTE BOOK OF THE LODGE OF INDUSTRY, GATESHEAD. Article 6
TRUE PHILOSOPHY. Article 8
THE DUVENGER CURSE. Article 9
OLD UNDATED MASONIC MSS. Article 12
APPENDIX. Article 17
NOTES ON LITERATURE, SCIENCE AND ART. Article 17
MASONIC SONG, Article 20
AN OLD MAID'S MISTAKE. Article 20
GENERAL GRAND CHAPTER OF ROYAL ARCH MASONS, U.S.A., 1874. Article 22
THE FREEMASONS AND ARCHITECTURE IN ENGLAND. Article 24
GOOD NIGHT. Article 29
WAS IT A WARNING? Article 29
CONTEMPORARY LETTERS ON THE FRENCH REVOLUTION. Article 32
LIGHT. Article 37
Our Archaeological Corner. Article 37
MASONIC PROGRESS. Article 38
JERUSALEM, HER RUINS. Article 39
LITERARY CURIOSITY. Article 41
TONIS AD RESTO MARE. Article 41
PAT MURPHY'S DILEMMA. Article 41
TONY'S ADDRESS TO MARY. Article 41
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Old Undated Masonic Mss.

MSS . give another reason also , viz , on account of llkiclid ' s pupils AVIIO Avere of oentle blood . That Euclid legend , however , was a discovery of a later date ; the Masons who were first forced to adopt the free-born law , kneAv nothing about Euclid's Masonryand that law must have been

, forced on the Mason by the 1385 statute , when the lord Avas empoAvered to take his bondman " as he well may ; " the poem , therefore , could not have been written before 1385 ; but that is not all , for the same further says : —

" The tAvelfth point is of great royalty , There as the assembly holden shall be , There shall be Masons and fellows also , And other great lords many more . There shall be the sheriff of that county , And also the mayor of that city ; Knig hts and squires there shall be , And other aldermen as you shall see . Such ordinances as they make there , They shall maintain it Avhole together . "

The laws of labourers , artizaus , etc ., enacted during the reign of Edward III ., and his successors , must satisfy any man that neither kings , nobles , or other " great men , " temporal or spiritual , would hcTve patronised in those days the Masonic brotherhood by mixing ancl taking part

with them in their deliberations in Masonic assemblies , but on the contrary , the Avhole tenour ancl spirit of those laws demonstrate that the then great men abhored the Avorking men ' s associations as not better than nests of rebellion . The assembl

y above referred to could not therefore have consisted of titled dignitaries , who have learned how to ride the goat , or to squat upon a gridiron ; but it simply refers to the annual assembly of the toAvn or count y officersin accordance Avith the law enacted

, in 1389 . They met for the purpose of fixing the price of labour for the ensuing year , consequently our poem could not liave been written before 1389 . And that is not all , for our MS . further says :

Hie fourteenth point is full of good law ¦ Co him that Avould be under awe , A good ancl true oath he must there swear . * * * # And all these points here before lo them thou must need be sworn , And all shall swear the same oath u * Masons , be they Avilling , be they loth .

The fifteenth point is full of good lore , For them that shall be sworn there , Such ordinance at th' assembly was layd , Of great lords and masters before said . Having already demonstrated that the poem does not allude to a Masonic

assembly ; the oath it administered could , therefore , not have been for Masonic purposes , ancl it must refer to the statute of the 6 th year of Henry IV . requiring labourers and artizans to swear annually to keep the ordinanceand to charge and receive no

, more wages that the assembly ordained . The oath they took there Avas not of their OAvn free will ancl accord , but , " be they Avilling , or be they loth . " As the said statute was not ordained before 1405 , the poem could not have been Avritten before

that year . But CA'en that is not all , for the fifteen articles and fifteen points must haA'e been copied ( exce 2 At the allusions to the Euclid and Athelstan legends ) by tbe poet from an old prose constitution , the age and

history of Avhich was already forgotten and unknown . We knoAv IIOAV that the said constitution Avas Avritten after 1405 , but constant handling for a number of years probably made it look , older than it was . The time intervenincr between the

comp ilation of the original constitution , and the composition of the poem must have been sufficiently long to have obliterated all knowledge of the origin of tiie former , and to have enabled a then Masonic luminary to palm off on the brotherhood its Athelstan oriin . That such was the

g belief of the author of the poem is evident from the following lines : Fifteen articles there they sought , And fifteen points there they Avrought . NOAV , assuming that the said constitution , with fifteen articlesetc ., was compiled in

, 1405 , and that thirty or forty years was sufficient to obliterate all knoAvledge of its origin , so that the Athelstan legend could become crystalized among the brethren ; the poem then could not have been written before 1435 or 1445 .

Bro . Closs dated the poem between 1427 and 1445 , by what method of reasoning he arrived at that conclusion 1 know not . If Bro . Findel is in possession of Bro . Closs ' reason for tbe same , he Avould confer a great favour , by submitting those reasons through the pages of the " Ma ° onic Magazine . "

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