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Grand Lodge.

GRAND LODGE .

LONDON , SATURDAY , SEPTEMBER 10 , 1864 .

Tlie meeting of Grand Lodge on Wednesday was one of the thinnest we have ever seen ; and , but for a discussion relative to the future of the Freemasons' Tavern , would have been altogether devoid of interest . The Grand Master was absent , and

so also was the Deputy Grand Master , the chair ' being occupied by Bro . Bagshaw , the Provincial Grand Master for Esses—the only Provincial Grand Master present . Why Provincial Grand Masters should take the chair in the absence of

its rightful occupants we cannot tell , there being no warrant for such a proceeding in the " Book of Oonstitlltions . •'• According to that book the duty should devolve on the Grand Wardens or Past Grand Wardens ; and we are astonished that

brethren of the Masonic standing and position of Bro . Dundas , Bro . Colonel Brownrigg , or Bro . Havers can consent to set aside their ri ghts in favour of Provincial Grand Masters , who hold no position in Grand Lodge beyond that which is

accorded them by courtesy . The Senior Grand Warden was absent . The Junior Warden , we regret to say , has been called from amongst ns to that home to which we must all ultimately repair .

On the reading of the minutes , Bro . George asked the questions to which we referred last week , and was well replied to by Bro . Havers , who stated that the Committee had not granted a

lease to the present tenants , having no power to do so until the minutes of the last Grand Lodge were confirmed , but that they had given them a provisional agreement for a lease , subject to that confirmation . The Committee had not given the

tenants power to form a Joint-Stock Company , but it had no objection to their doing so , and believed that the Tavern could be better managed by such a Company than under private enterprise . The Committee had not placed any restriction on the

lessees as to the parties they should bring into the Company as partners being all Masons ; ancl he ( Bro . Havers ) thought it was rather matter of congratulation that those outside the pale of Masonry were willing to take part in the

undertaking , though personally he should prefer seeing it solel y in the hands of Masons , if they only took one share each . Bro . Havers also stated the terms upon which the . lease was to be granted , viz ., a premium of £ 5 , 000 , and a rent commencing a

£ 1 , 200 a year , gradually advancing to £ 1 , 800 ,. at which it is to remain until the expiry of the lease , which is to be granted for twenty-one years . A sharp and rather sprightly discussion followed the statement of Bro . Havers , in the course of

which it was stated that of the 6 , 500 shares intowhich the capital is to be divided , 4 , 800 had been taken up , exclusive of those which may be required , by the directors and their friends , and of that number 4 , 200 had been paid upon . Of the total

applied for , 672 were taken by Masons , and the rest by the public . That enough has already been subscribed for to secure the carrying out of the Company will therefore be seen , and the other shares may be placed as opportunity offers . Bro . George spoke of the large margin existing between

the amount to be given for the lease , ancl the amount of capital , but he should remember in , all Joint-Stock undertakings more should be nominally raised than it is ever proposed to call up , for that Company would be in a sorry plight which

called up all its capital and left no portion fructifying in the pockets of the shareholders to meet unforeseen contingencies , and it would find that if in no other respect , at least in credit and prestige it would be "limited . " Ultimately , the ,

minutes were confirmed with one dissentient , Bro .. George , who was faithful to the last . The lease may , therefore , be considered as granted , ancl those brothers who wish to do so may yet have shares , as the allotment will not take place for ten days . or a fortnight .

Then came the consideration of the reports of the Colonial Board , ancl another discussion arose resulting in that portion relative to the Grand Lodge of Canada , and the recognition of the St . George ' s Lodge , English Constitution , being referred back

to the Board for further consideration , in consequence of the receipt of later advices from Canada , recognising the report , and rendering it altogether nugatory . The discussion was chiefly interestingthrough the nice legal distinctions drawn by the

Grand Eegistrar as to how one portion of the report could be acted upon without the other , and which were about as lucid as the distinction to be drawn " 'twixfc tweedledum and tweedledee . " After some unnecessary badgering , however , Bro .

Havers came to the rescue . Bro . M'Intyre agreed with Bro . Havers , and everybody agreeing with both and everybody , the matter was settled . At next Grand Lodge we presume a vote of thanks will be given to Bro . Brackstone Baker for

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GRAND LODGE. Article 1
MASONIC SAYINGS AND DOINGS ABROAD. Article 2
FREEMASONRY FROM THE INSIDE. Article 4
A RUN TO THE LAKES: BORROWDALE. Article 5
Untitled Article 8
MASONIC N0TES AND QUERIES. Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
COMMON ORIGIN OF FREEMASONS AND GIPSIES. Article 12
THE GRAND LODGE OF ENGLAND AND CANADA. Article 12
Untitled Article 12
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 12
METROPOLITAN. Article 16
PROVINCIAL. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
IRELAND. Article 17
Obituary. Article 17
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 18
Untitled Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Grand Lodge.

GRAND LODGE .

LONDON , SATURDAY , SEPTEMBER 10 , 1864 .

Tlie meeting of Grand Lodge on Wednesday was one of the thinnest we have ever seen ; and , but for a discussion relative to the future of the Freemasons' Tavern , would have been altogether devoid of interest . The Grand Master was absent , and

so also was the Deputy Grand Master , the chair ' being occupied by Bro . Bagshaw , the Provincial Grand Master for Esses—the only Provincial Grand Master present . Why Provincial Grand Masters should take the chair in the absence of

its rightful occupants we cannot tell , there being no warrant for such a proceeding in the " Book of Oonstitlltions . •'• According to that book the duty should devolve on the Grand Wardens or Past Grand Wardens ; and we are astonished that

brethren of the Masonic standing and position of Bro . Dundas , Bro . Colonel Brownrigg , or Bro . Havers can consent to set aside their ri ghts in favour of Provincial Grand Masters , who hold no position in Grand Lodge beyond that which is

accorded them by courtesy . The Senior Grand Warden was absent . The Junior Warden , we regret to say , has been called from amongst ns to that home to which we must all ultimately repair .

On the reading of the minutes , Bro . George asked the questions to which we referred last week , and was well replied to by Bro . Havers , who stated that the Committee had not granted a

lease to the present tenants , having no power to do so until the minutes of the last Grand Lodge were confirmed , but that they had given them a provisional agreement for a lease , subject to that confirmation . The Committee had not given the

tenants power to form a Joint-Stock Company , but it had no objection to their doing so , and believed that the Tavern could be better managed by such a Company than under private enterprise . The Committee had not placed any restriction on the

lessees as to the parties they should bring into the Company as partners being all Masons ; ancl he ( Bro . Havers ) thought it was rather matter of congratulation that those outside the pale of Masonry were willing to take part in the

undertaking , though personally he should prefer seeing it solel y in the hands of Masons , if they only took one share each . Bro . Havers also stated the terms upon which the . lease was to be granted , viz ., a premium of £ 5 , 000 , and a rent commencing a

£ 1 , 200 a year , gradually advancing to £ 1 , 800 ,. at which it is to remain until the expiry of the lease , which is to be granted for twenty-one years . A sharp and rather sprightly discussion followed the statement of Bro . Havers , in the course of

which it was stated that of the 6 , 500 shares intowhich the capital is to be divided , 4 , 800 had been taken up , exclusive of those which may be required , by the directors and their friends , and of that number 4 , 200 had been paid upon . Of the total

applied for , 672 were taken by Masons , and the rest by the public . That enough has already been subscribed for to secure the carrying out of the Company will therefore be seen , and the other shares may be placed as opportunity offers . Bro . George spoke of the large margin existing between

the amount to be given for the lease , ancl the amount of capital , but he should remember in , all Joint-Stock undertakings more should be nominally raised than it is ever proposed to call up , for that Company would be in a sorry plight which

called up all its capital and left no portion fructifying in the pockets of the shareholders to meet unforeseen contingencies , and it would find that if in no other respect , at least in credit and prestige it would be "limited . " Ultimately , the ,

minutes were confirmed with one dissentient , Bro .. George , who was faithful to the last . The lease may , therefore , be considered as granted , ancl those brothers who wish to do so may yet have shares , as the allotment will not take place for ten days . or a fortnight .

Then came the consideration of the reports of the Colonial Board , ancl another discussion arose resulting in that portion relative to the Grand Lodge of Canada , and the recognition of the St . George ' s Lodge , English Constitution , being referred back

to the Board for further consideration , in consequence of the receipt of later advices from Canada , recognising the report , and rendering it altogether nugatory . The discussion was chiefly interestingthrough the nice legal distinctions drawn by the

Grand Eegistrar as to how one portion of the report could be acted upon without the other , and which were about as lucid as the distinction to be drawn " 'twixfc tweedledum and tweedledee . " After some unnecessary badgering , however , Bro .

Havers came to the rescue . Bro . M'Intyre agreed with Bro . Havers , and everybody agreeing with both and everybody , the matter was settled . At next Grand Lodge we presume a vote of thanks will be given to Bro . Brackstone Baker for

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