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The Masonic Mirror.

considered a joint-stock company were the best people to be selected to rule a Masonic lodge , and whether they would allow other persons than Freemasons to become shareholders . Bro . George having made some observations which were very indistinctly heard , said his object in making these observations was to elicit from the Building Committee an answer which might be satisfactory to the members of Grand Lodge . He concluded

by moving " That the portion of the minutes of tho last quarterly communication relating to the Building Coinmittee , bo not confirmed . " Some time elapsed , but at length Bro . HAREIS (> To . 185 ) , seconded the amendment . Bro . H . txjjits , P . J . G . W ., and chairman of the Building

Committee , said it seemed to him that Bro . George , in his excited and somewhat discursive speech , had forgotten to ask tlie questions of which he had given notice . Still , he submitted that as Bro . George had given not'ee of certain questions , he desired that the fullest answer should be given to them ; and therefore lie asked Grand Lodge to waive any privilege it might have , and

allow not only those questions but any others to be answered by those who represented them ; and , if they had fairly carried out the work entrusted to them , to approve them . Bro . George

was a young Mason , and had that night said things which he would wish unsaid on the morrow ; but he ( Bro . Havers ) would answer all the questions of which he had given notice categorically , and would then take the first -. — " Have the Building Committee granted a lease to the present tenant ? " If he was to give a plain answer he should say , No ; they had not granted a lease . They had not the power to grant a lease , unless

Grand Lodge should strengthen their hands that night ; and although they bad agreed to a lease it was subject , to the confirmation of Grand Lodge . With regard to the second question , " Have they given him permission to convert that lease into a marketable commodity by convoying it to a joint-stock company ? " isovi , if I was to answer emphatically

"No , " that would not be the whole truth , for in their conferences with Bro . Shrewsbury he had stated that he could find parties to hack him with large sums of money , and to carry on the business as a joint-stock company , upon which they told him that if he could produce persons of the most undoubted respectability as the members of it , and they shall prove their capacity to satisfactorily carry on the business , that they would accept them as tenants . Then as to the third question , "And are other than Masons allowed to become shareholders . " His

answer to that was , that was a matter with which they had nothing to do , although he should be glad if none but Masons were the shareholders . He should be most happy if every member would take but one share , it would be but the risk of £ 10 , and trust to what they would get for it , but there was no power to dictate to the persons who were to form the company whether they were Masons or not . He must , however ,

remind them that it was only last year they paid the last tontine dividend to those who built tho hall in which they were then assembled . The last dividend was paid to two old ladies , who were of course not Masons , and that hall therefore , built a hundred years ago , was built with the money of the public . He should be very glad if the Masons would take the matter in

hand , as he had stated in the letter he wrote a few days ago , and which he was prepared to justify ; but , if they as Masons , were applied to at the wrong time of the year , when their lodges did not meet , they could not complain that other persons should come forward and readily pay their deposits on shares amounting to £ 42 , 000 , but on the contrary they ought to be very glad of it . He hoped still that they should have a large number of Masons as

shareholders , and tbey could legitimately recommend it to their brethren . They would not be required to lay out a large sum of money in bricks and mortar , and they had a handsome and lucrative business ready made to their hands . It was a capital undertaking , and were he ( Bro . Havers ) not their representative on the committee , he would most assuredly bo a shareholder ..

Bro . Shrewsbury was a very able man , and their were few menwho had capital enough to carry on a thing so well , but Bro .. Shrewsbury told them that he would get them a company formed of men of the greatest respectability , and able to carryon the business in the most satisfactory manner , and he ( Bro . Havers ) would then tell them the terms . The present rental

ivas £ 800 per annum , and one guinea every time the hall was occupied , making in addition from £ 100 to £ 120 per annum . Tho company would commence by a payment of £ 1 , 200 a year for the first , second , and third years , £ 1 , 300 for tho fourth year , £ 1 , 500 for the sixth and seventh years , aud increasing £ 50 per

annum , until it reached £ 1 , 800 a-year , at which sum it would remain . His ( Bro . Havers ) impression was that more equitable terms could not be made , leaving a fair margin for profit for the company and he thought their committee had done well to get such , terms . Already deposits had been received on shares for £ 12 , 000 , and he believed that Grand Lodge would say that the committee had really done them good service . He hoped

that-Bro . George would not be blamed for raising this question , as he was most undoubtedly entitled to a plain and categorical answer . He had asked them how they had arrived at the conclusion that £ 5 , 000 was a fair premium for the lease of their buildings . Now the committee did not trust to their own judgment , but they placed the matter in the hands of two trustworthy Masons , Bros . Pullen and Horsey , for their professional opinion , and they , like good ' Masons , undertook this duty without

charge ; and he ivas glad to say that there was not a difference of move than £ 200 between their own valuers and those of the tenants , and under those circumstances the committee considered that they should allow this difference to go to the advantage of the tenant , and give him a chance of getting a living . The interest of the committee was to maintain the interests of their tenants , so that they should do their work well . His

( Bro . Havers' ) impression was that the company would raise more money than they wanted , and that they would not want more than £ 30 , 000 . They had already got £ 12 , 000 more than they wanted , and that was a very ample margin for them towork upon . He begged the Craft to understand that the whole of those and the adjoining buildings would remain theirs . They would have the right of access at all times to the Grand Hall , which would be their own private property ; they would bave

their lodge rooms , library , and other apartments , and all they would lease was the tavern , to which also they would have access , aud for which they would receive a rent of £ 1 , 800 per annum , besides a premium of £ 5 , 000 for the lease . They had no right to ask the company why they raised more capital than they wanted , as that was a matter for themselves . As to the question whether none but Masons should be allowed to become

shareholders , he said that 3 , 000 letters were sent to the lodges besides 1 , 700 private letters , inviting persons to take shares ,- but nothing was done , and were the committee then to say to the committee , to whom , after the most careful deliberation , you entrusted powers to arrange a lease , and which they had arranged on the most liberal terms , that Grand Lodge would then repudiate

what they had done three months ago ? Were they to do so , what members of the commercial community would ever negoeiate with them again ? They would refuse to deal with them at all . He asked every man who wished to see the prosperity of the tavern—lie asked every individual member of the Craft

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GRAND LODGE. Article 1
MASONIC SAYINGS AND DOINGS ABROAD. Article 2
FREEMASONRY FROM THE INSIDE. Article 4
A RUN TO THE LAKES: BORROWDALE. Article 5
Untitled Article 8
MASONIC N0TES AND QUERIES. Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
COMMON ORIGIN OF FREEMASONS AND GIPSIES. Article 12
THE GRAND LODGE OF ENGLAND AND CANADA. Article 12
Untitled Article 12
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 12
METROPOLITAN. Article 16
PROVINCIAL. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
IRELAND. Article 17
Obituary. Article 17
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 18
Untitled Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Masonic Mirror.

considered a joint-stock company were the best people to be selected to rule a Masonic lodge , and whether they would allow other persons than Freemasons to become shareholders . Bro . George having made some observations which were very indistinctly heard , said his object in making these observations was to elicit from the Building Committee an answer which might be satisfactory to the members of Grand Lodge . He concluded

by moving " That the portion of the minutes of tho last quarterly communication relating to the Building Coinmittee , bo not confirmed . " Some time elapsed , but at length Bro . HAREIS (> To . 185 ) , seconded the amendment . Bro . H . txjjits , P . J . G . W ., and chairman of the Building

Committee , said it seemed to him that Bro . George , in his excited and somewhat discursive speech , had forgotten to ask tlie questions of which he had given notice . Still , he submitted that as Bro . George had given not'ee of certain questions , he desired that the fullest answer should be given to them ; and therefore lie asked Grand Lodge to waive any privilege it might have , and

allow not only those questions but any others to be answered by those who represented them ; and , if they had fairly carried out the work entrusted to them , to approve them . Bro . George

was a young Mason , and had that night said things which he would wish unsaid on the morrow ; but he ( Bro . Havers ) would answer all the questions of which he had given notice categorically , and would then take the first -. — " Have the Building Committee granted a lease to the present tenant ? " If he was to give a plain answer he should say , No ; they had not granted a lease . They had not the power to grant a lease , unless

Grand Lodge should strengthen their hands that night ; and although they bad agreed to a lease it was subject , to the confirmation of Grand Lodge . With regard to the second question , " Have they given him permission to convert that lease into a marketable commodity by convoying it to a joint-stock company ? " isovi , if I was to answer emphatically

"No , " that would not be the whole truth , for in their conferences with Bro . Shrewsbury he had stated that he could find parties to hack him with large sums of money , and to carry on the business as a joint-stock company , upon which they told him that if he could produce persons of the most undoubted respectability as the members of it , and they shall prove their capacity to satisfactorily carry on the business , that they would accept them as tenants . Then as to the third question , "And are other than Masons allowed to become shareholders . " His

answer to that was , that was a matter with which they had nothing to do , although he should be glad if none but Masons were the shareholders . He should be most happy if every member would take but one share , it would be but the risk of £ 10 , and trust to what they would get for it , but there was no power to dictate to the persons who were to form the company whether they were Masons or not . He must , however ,

remind them that it was only last year they paid the last tontine dividend to those who built tho hall in which they were then assembled . The last dividend was paid to two old ladies , who were of course not Masons , and that hall therefore , built a hundred years ago , was built with the money of the public . He should be very glad if the Masons would take the matter in

hand , as he had stated in the letter he wrote a few days ago , and which he was prepared to justify ; but , if they as Masons , were applied to at the wrong time of the year , when their lodges did not meet , they could not complain that other persons should come forward and readily pay their deposits on shares amounting to £ 42 , 000 , but on the contrary they ought to be very glad of it . He hoped still that they should have a large number of Masons as

shareholders , and tbey could legitimately recommend it to their brethren . They would not be required to lay out a large sum of money in bricks and mortar , and they had a handsome and lucrative business ready made to their hands . It was a capital undertaking , and were he ( Bro . Havers ) not their representative on the committee , he would most assuredly bo a shareholder ..

Bro . Shrewsbury was a very able man , and their were few menwho had capital enough to carry on a thing so well , but Bro .. Shrewsbury told them that he would get them a company formed of men of the greatest respectability , and able to carryon the business in the most satisfactory manner , and he ( Bro . Havers ) would then tell them the terms . The present rental

ivas £ 800 per annum , and one guinea every time the hall was occupied , making in addition from £ 100 to £ 120 per annum . Tho company would commence by a payment of £ 1 , 200 a year for the first , second , and third years , £ 1 , 300 for tho fourth year , £ 1 , 500 for the sixth and seventh years , aud increasing £ 50 per

annum , until it reached £ 1 , 800 a-year , at which sum it would remain . His ( Bro . Havers ) impression was that more equitable terms could not be made , leaving a fair margin for profit for the company and he thought their committee had done well to get such , terms . Already deposits had been received on shares for £ 12 , 000 , and he believed that Grand Lodge would say that the committee had really done them good service . He hoped

that-Bro . George would not be blamed for raising this question , as he was most undoubtedly entitled to a plain and categorical answer . He had asked them how they had arrived at the conclusion that £ 5 , 000 was a fair premium for the lease of their buildings . Now the committee did not trust to their own judgment , but they placed the matter in the hands of two trustworthy Masons , Bros . Pullen and Horsey , for their professional opinion , and they , like good ' Masons , undertook this duty without

charge ; and he ivas glad to say that there was not a difference of move than £ 200 between their own valuers and those of the tenants , and under those circumstances the committee considered that they should allow this difference to go to the advantage of the tenant , and give him a chance of getting a living . The interest of the committee was to maintain the interests of their tenants , so that they should do their work well . His

( Bro . Havers' ) impression was that the company would raise more money than they wanted , and that they would not want more than £ 30 , 000 . They had already got £ 12 , 000 more than they wanted , and that was a very ample margin for them towork upon . He begged the Craft to understand that the whole of those and the adjoining buildings would remain theirs . They would have the right of access at all times to the Grand Hall , which would be their own private property ; they would bave

their lodge rooms , library , and other apartments , and all they would lease was the tavern , to which also they would have access , aud for which they would receive a rent of £ 1 , 800 per annum , besides a premium of £ 5 , 000 for the lease . They had no right to ask the company why they raised more capital than they wanted , as that was a matter for themselves . As to the question whether none but Masons should be allowed to become

shareholders , he said that 3 , 000 letters were sent to the lodges besides 1 , 700 private letters , inviting persons to take shares ,- but nothing was done , and were the committee then to say to the committee , to whom , after the most careful deliberation , you entrusted powers to arrange a lease , and which they had arranged on the most liberal terms , that Grand Lodge would then repudiate

what they had done three months ago ? Were they to do so , what members of the commercial community would ever negoeiate with them again ? They would refuse to deal with them at all . He asked every man who wished to see the prosperity of the tavern—lie asked every individual member of the Craft

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