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Laying The Foundation Stone Of The Grey Friars Church, Dumfries.

Bros . W . Fairley and A . Crackston , Senior and Junior Wardens , officiating as croupiers . . After a splendid dinner , furnished by Bro . Kirk , of the White Hart , the Chairman , in succession , gave "The Holy Lodge of St . John , " "The Queen and the Craft , " " The Prince and Princess of Wales and

the rest of the Royal Family , " " The Navy , Army , Militia , and Volunteers , " to which Bro . Sanson , Glasgow , replied ; " The Grand Lodge of Scotlaud and Bro . J . Whyte Melville , Esq ., " " by Bro . " Alder , replied to by Bro . Wright , Edinburgh ; " The Grand Lodge of England , " by Bro . Fairley ; " The Grand

Lodge of Ireland , " by Bro . Crackston ; "Bro . H . Inglis , D . G . Master , " by Bro . Alder , replied to by Bro . H . Inglis ; " The Clergy of all Denominations , " by Bro . Hyslop ; " The Magistrates aud Town Council of Dumfries , " by Bro . TIellon ; "The Congregation of Grey Friars" bBro . James Wallace

, y , acknoAvledged by Bro . James Riddiek ; " The Contractors , " coupled with Bro . Halliday , by Bro . Robert Martin , responded to by Bro . James Halliday ; " The Visiting Lodges , " by' the Chair , replied to by the brother heading the respective deputations ; " The Masonic Committee , " by Bro . James Thomson ,

acknowledged by Bro . Dykes , Secretary ; "The Senior and Junior Wardens Avho Preside , " by Bro . A . Hay , G . Treas ., responded to by Bro . Fairley . During the evening various songs Avere sung by Bros . Riddiek , Hart , E . Smith , aud Maxwell and Gordon , Castle-Douglas .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

MYSTIC PAlTXnEISJr . A London Brother is right in his remarks respecting Mystic Pantheism . It absorbs the Universe in God , and can in no way be considered atheistical . I am told that Mystic Pantheism has many adherents in the lodges of Germany , and some in those of

France aud Italy . —CHAELES PI / ETOH COOPEE . CUEISTIANITY AND ENGLISH 1 'EEEM ASOXEY . The letter from Nice has been handed to me . English ' Freemasonry will not for a moment listen to the suggestion it contains . Iu such a matter they will regard the example of the lodge of another

nation with extreme indifference . The Bible will ever keep its place in the English lodge ; the Sacred Volume Avill eA'er be seen there open before the Worshipful Master . Christianity and English Freemasonry have hitherto been hand in hand in those countries of Avhich my correspondent speaks . They

will , I trust and believe , continue to do so . English Freemasonry from its nature cannot exist if separated from Christianity . Divide English Freemasonry and Christianity , and the former necessarily and immediately perishes . Its principle of vitality is gone . The Christian missionary has always found

the English Freemason a sincere and able supporter -and assistant in his good aud perilous enterprise . Christianity and Freemasonry united may civilise the Avhole human race ; but he must be a senseless visionary who can affirm that Freemasonry alone Avill achieA'e that immense work . Prosopceia is plainly my correspondent ' s favourite figure of rhetoric , and he possibly will be surprised AA'heu told that the use -he has made of it by no means pleases me . He

personifies Liberty , Equality , and Fraternity , xt is true , in a manner that none valuing them rightly and discreety will disapprove ; yet , strangely enough , he does not personify Christianity . What is most excellent he passes by . His group is defective ; it Avants what would have been its greatest ornament . In this picture Avhich my correspondent ' s lively fancy has painted I discern the offspring , but , alas , the parent is absent . —CHAEEES PUETON COOPEE .

AVAS YIEG-IL A EBEEMASON ? The question of "Enquirer" is one which requires a twofold answer . If by using the Avord Freemason he means to ask , Was Virgil ' s initiation the same as ours , I answer , Most probably no ; but if he intends to say , Was Virgil initiated into a secret Order , with Avhich we preserve a striking likeness in many

respects ? I answer , Probably yes . That Virgil Avas ever initiated , I do not remember at this moment to be positively said by any Avriter , though many have apparently assumed the fact that he was so . We know that the great and the learned in his time , and , anterior to itemperorsoratorsand poets were

, , , admitted into the mysteries , aud the probability is that Virgil Avas also admitted . That he portrayed the scenic representations of some of the mysteries in the VI . iEneid , is not only held by Bishop Warburtpn , but by other learned men , and even Gibbon seems to admit the fact , though he reduces

it to a question of the original , or a copy of the original , as represented by Virgil . The mysteries , especially the Eleusinian , professed to reveal certain great aud important truths , as well in natural science as in religious knoAvledge . Whatever was their local name or peculiar organisation , the emblems they employed , the symbols they used , they all came

originally from the East , Egypt being probaly only a resting-place from India . Freemasonry comes , too , from the East , handed down through mediaeval guilds , hailing from Rome , and derived from Phoenicia and the East generally . Hence it always has been held , and Avisely held , by the most learned amongst us , thatthough it is almost impossible to lay down

, precisely the exact connection to-day betAveen modern Freemasonry and the ancient mysteries , yet that a connection does exist , not only in our common traditions , but to some extent iu our common ceremonies . That the mysteries and Freemasonry are identical I do not say , ¦ but only that they have a

good deal in common , and , in one sense our Freemasonry at this hour , though under the development of an operative brotherhood , bound together by ties of secret association and ritual , and in a very different condition of things , may be said to be a continuation of those ancient mystic assemblies . While , then , it

is never wise to dogmatise , or simply to make assertions , Avhen we are travelling over a debatable land , we have , I venture to add , every warrant to believe that there is still a link of no common kind aud importance between the mysteries and Freemasonry , In that sense , Virgil , if initiated , as he probably Avas , Avas a Freemason . HIRAM .

" DEIYING PILES AND GEAND SHOCKS . I have met with these expressions in the perusal of some old Masonic documents , to Avhich I have not noAv access . Can any brother give the interpretation to be placed upon these ancient and obsolete Masonic terms ?—LTVESTIGATOE .

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AUXILIARIES TO OUR THREE GREAT CHARITIES. Article 1
RECOLLECTIONS OF THE LODGE OF FREEMASONS AT THORNHILL. Article 2
PROPOSED MASONIC SCHOOL FOR INDIA. Article 3
Untitled Article 3
THE ORIGIN OF THE NAMES OF THE MASONIC FRATERNITY. * Article 4
MASONIC EMBLEMS. Article 6
THE BIRMINGHAM MASONIC HALL AND CLUB COMPANY (LIMITED). Article 8
LAYING THE FOUNDATION STONE OF THE GREY FRIARS CHURCH, DUMFRIES. Article 8
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 11
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 12
THE GIRLS' SCHOOL FESTIVAL. Article 12
METROPOLITAN. Article 12
PROVINCIAL. Article 12
ROYAL ARCH. Article 14
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 14
SCOTLAND. Article 15
IRELAND. Article 15
INDIA. Article 15
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
Obituary. Article 17
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Laying The Foundation Stone Of The Grey Friars Church, Dumfries.

Bros . W . Fairley and A . Crackston , Senior and Junior Wardens , officiating as croupiers . . After a splendid dinner , furnished by Bro . Kirk , of the White Hart , the Chairman , in succession , gave "The Holy Lodge of St . John , " "The Queen and the Craft , " " The Prince and Princess of Wales and

the rest of the Royal Family , " " The Navy , Army , Militia , and Volunteers , " to which Bro . Sanson , Glasgow , replied ; " The Grand Lodge of Scotlaud and Bro . J . Whyte Melville , Esq ., " " by Bro . " Alder , replied to by Bro . Wright , Edinburgh ; " The Grand Lodge of England , " by Bro . Fairley ; " The Grand

Lodge of Ireland , " by Bro . Crackston ; "Bro . H . Inglis , D . G . Master , " by Bro . Alder , replied to by Bro . H . Inglis ; " The Clergy of all Denominations , " by Bro . Hyslop ; " The Magistrates aud Town Council of Dumfries , " by Bro . TIellon ; "The Congregation of Grey Friars" bBro . James Wallace

, y , acknoAvledged by Bro . James Riddiek ; " The Contractors , " coupled with Bro . Halliday , by Bro . Robert Martin , responded to by Bro . James Halliday ; " The Visiting Lodges , " by' the Chair , replied to by the brother heading the respective deputations ; " The Masonic Committee , " by Bro . James Thomson ,

acknowledged by Bro . Dykes , Secretary ; "The Senior and Junior Wardens Avho Preside , " by Bro . A . Hay , G . Treas ., responded to by Bro . Fairley . During the evening various songs Avere sung by Bros . Riddiek , Hart , E . Smith , aud Maxwell and Gordon , Castle-Douglas .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

MYSTIC PAlTXnEISJr . A London Brother is right in his remarks respecting Mystic Pantheism . It absorbs the Universe in God , and can in no way be considered atheistical . I am told that Mystic Pantheism has many adherents in the lodges of Germany , and some in those of

France aud Italy . —CHAELES PI / ETOH COOPEE . CUEISTIANITY AND ENGLISH 1 'EEEM ASOXEY . The letter from Nice has been handed to me . English ' Freemasonry will not for a moment listen to the suggestion it contains . Iu such a matter they will regard the example of the lodge of another

nation with extreme indifference . The Bible will ever keep its place in the English lodge ; the Sacred Volume Avill eA'er be seen there open before the Worshipful Master . Christianity and English Freemasonry have hitherto been hand in hand in those countries of Avhich my correspondent speaks . They

will , I trust and believe , continue to do so . English Freemasonry from its nature cannot exist if separated from Christianity . Divide English Freemasonry and Christianity , and the former necessarily and immediately perishes . Its principle of vitality is gone . The Christian missionary has always found

the English Freemason a sincere and able supporter -and assistant in his good aud perilous enterprise . Christianity and Freemasonry united may civilise the Avhole human race ; but he must be a senseless visionary who can affirm that Freemasonry alone Avill achieA'e that immense work . Prosopceia is plainly my correspondent ' s favourite figure of rhetoric , and he possibly will be surprised AA'heu told that the use -he has made of it by no means pleases me . He

personifies Liberty , Equality , and Fraternity , xt is true , in a manner that none valuing them rightly and discreety will disapprove ; yet , strangely enough , he does not personify Christianity . What is most excellent he passes by . His group is defective ; it Avants what would have been its greatest ornament . In this picture Avhich my correspondent ' s lively fancy has painted I discern the offspring , but , alas , the parent is absent . —CHAEEES PUETON COOPEE .

AVAS YIEG-IL A EBEEMASON ? The question of "Enquirer" is one which requires a twofold answer . If by using the Avord Freemason he means to ask , Was Virgil ' s initiation the same as ours , I answer , Most probably no ; but if he intends to say , Was Virgil initiated into a secret Order , with Avhich we preserve a striking likeness in many

respects ? I answer , Probably yes . That Virgil Avas ever initiated , I do not remember at this moment to be positively said by any Avriter , though many have apparently assumed the fact that he was so . We know that the great and the learned in his time , and , anterior to itemperorsoratorsand poets were

, , , admitted into the mysteries , aud the probability is that Virgil Avas also admitted . That he portrayed the scenic representations of some of the mysteries in the VI . iEneid , is not only held by Bishop Warburtpn , but by other learned men , and even Gibbon seems to admit the fact , though he reduces

it to a question of the original , or a copy of the original , as represented by Virgil . The mysteries , especially the Eleusinian , professed to reveal certain great aud important truths , as well in natural science as in religious knoAvledge . Whatever was their local name or peculiar organisation , the emblems they employed , the symbols they used , they all came

originally from the East , Egypt being probaly only a resting-place from India . Freemasonry comes , too , from the East , handed down through mediaeval guilds , hailing from Rome , and derived from Phoenicia and the East generally . Hence it always has been held , and Avisely held , by the most learned amongst us , thatthough it is almost impossible to lay down

, precisely the exact connection to-day betAveen modern Freemasonry and the ancient mysteries , yet that a connection does exist , not only in our common traditions , but to some extent iu our common ceremonies . That the mysteries and Freemasonry are identical I do not say , ¦ but only that they have a

good deal in common , and , in one sense our Freemasonry at this hour , though under the development of an operative brotherhood , bound together by ties of secret association and ritual , and in a very different condition of things , may be said to be a continuation of those ancient mystic assemblies . While , then , it

is never wise to dogmatise , or simply to make assertions , Avhen we are travelling over a debatable land , we have , I venture to add , every warrant to believe that there is still a link of no common kind aud importance between the mysteries and Freemasonry , In that sense , Virgil , if initiated , as he probably Avas , Avas a Freemason . HIRAM .

" DEIYING PILES AND GEAND SHOCKS . I have met with these expressions in the perusal of some old Masonic documents , to Avhich I have not noAv access . Can any brother give the interpretation to be placed upon these ancient and obsolete Masonic terms ?—LTVESTIGATOE .

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