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Masonic Notes And Queries.

ORIGIN OF FREEMASONRY . The origin of the modern form of Masonry cannot be attributed to Sir Christopher Wren , because the evidence of the present century shows that it had already taken the organisation of a Craft of Masons , and that the assemblies Avere held at Masons' Hall , in the City of London .

The Masons Company of London has its Master and Wardens , and is one of the prototypes ofthe modern organisation , though not , perhaps , the only one . This is a subject Avhich has not been sufficiently studied , and Avell deserves inquiry . I have had an idea that at York there AA as very probably a Masons '

Company , Avhich exercised a direct influence ; and so did very probably the Masons' Companies or guilds of other places . It is very desirable to have a list and particulars of these companies , and there we shall find evidences , I doubt notconnecting the present system with the

, medieval form published by Bro . Matthew Cooke , and Avhich would SIIOAV us our Masters , Senior and Junior Wardens , Deacons , Fellow Crafts , Apprentices , Tylers , Craft , and much of our constitutions and traditions .

There , too , we might find illustrations as to the constitutional practice of a Warden ruling the lodge , which is certainly in conformity Avith Craft practice of companies , some of Avhich have no Master , only a Senior Warden . We have taken more than the armorial bearings from the Masons CompanyAvhose records are yet to

, be searched . There are , to my mind , tAvo Masonic sites of antiquity to be restored to the practice of the Craft—Warrington and Masons' Hall ; and had I remained in London I had proposed to petition for a lodge in the latter locality . —HYDE CLARKE , Smyrna , Feb . 8 , 1865 .

THE HONOURABLE MISS ST . LEGER . Where can I find any account of the lady Mason —the Honourable Miss St . Leger ?—P . Q ,. —[ In our number for October the 22 nd , 1859 , page 305 . ] TRIANGULAR OR CUBIC PEDESTAL . Should the pedestals in use in lodges be of

triangular or cubic form , and Avhy ?—RIGHT ANGLE . THE PRESTONIAN LECTURE . Will there ever be another Prestonian lecture , or will the funds , appropriated for the same , quietly evaporate ?—STUDENS . THE HOLY EMPIRE .

Where can I obtain some knoAA'ledge of the Holy Empire?—S . P . E . S . —[ The Arnold Prize Essay for 1863 , by JAMES BRYCE , B . A ., is on the subject , and entitled The Holy JRoman Empire . Ifc is published hy Shrimpton , of Oxford . ] EARLY MASONIC POETRY .

What is the earliest collection of Masonic poetry extant?—W . P . —[ Sir Thomas Phillips , of Middlehill , has a . very old MS . of Masonic poetry , but , at present , it is not available to general students . ] THE CHEVALIER RAMSAY . Who are the lineal or collateral descendants of the Chevalier Ramsay ?—C . OF EDINBURGH .

DEFORMED BRETHREN . I pen this in no spirit of detraction . A deformed man may have , and often has , a larger mind than one more correctly made . Still , I always was given to understand no deformed person could be admitted a Mason . Am I right or Avrong ?—[ It was one of the old regulations that no one born halt or blind

should be made a Freemason . Now the case seems to be different . Who altered it , nobody knows and nobody cares . The old landmarks—nobody knows what they comprise or omit—are of no earthly authority , because everything is a landmark when an opponent desires to silence you , but nothing is a

landmark that stands in his way . We quite agree Avith you that deformed bodies are often the receptacles of the most pure and elevated minds , and we go even further , and think it is true Freemasonry to take to our bosoms , and fondly cherish , those in Avhom it has pleased the Almighty to allow His image to be imperfectly developed , and against Avhom the Avorld often points the finger of scorn because they are not as other men are . ]

MASONIC TIME . Has any one compiled a list of the various Masonic times which govern the different degrees ?—Ex . Ex . THE ARK . Past Masters and brethren having the privilege of attending Grand Lodge have said that it contains a

something Avhich they call the ark . IN ow , if it is not inconsistent with the duties of our rulers in the Craft , would some one be obliging enough to describe the same to one—NOT A MEMBER OF GRAND LODGE .

MUD HUTS . What were the mud huts like that Ave recently hear of in the lectures ?—AN ABORIGINE . —[ See any table of synonymes . You may call them wigAvams if you p lease . They are not quite as ancient as you may suppose , for the York lectures and those promulgated by the Lodge of Reconciliationnever mention them at

, all . It is only as we depart , daily , more and more from true Freemasonry that AA e find such interpolations countenanced . The mud hut order of architecture is entirely unknoAvn amongst classical , gothic , Elizabethan , composite , debased , or any other school of architects , past or present . Those who advocate

that new style should apply Martial ' s epigram ( Lib . v ., Ep . 56 )—" Avfces discere vulfc pecuniosas ? Fao , discat , eithai-cedus , nut clioraules ; Si dnri puer ingeni videtm-, Pi-aiconein facias , vel arcliitectuni . " ]

THE TAU AND CRUX AUSATA . What is the specific point of resemblance between the tau and crux ausata ? Do they indicate one and the same theories of faith , or are they merely modifications , the one of the other ?—STUDENS . —[ We must decline to answer the above . If we were to admit replies to such a boundless field of

investigation , fact , surmise , and theological heart-burning , we should be opening our columns to an endless controversy , displeasing to all and satisfactory to none . Of course we have our opinion on the question , and will be happy to mention our sources of information to " Studens" if he Avill again send us his address ; his former card we have mislaid . ]

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FREEMASONRY IN CHINA. Article 1
ALGERNON, DUKE OF NORTHUMBERLAND, K.G., IN CONNECTION WITH ART. Article 2
A FIRST REHEARSAL. Article 5
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 6
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 8
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 9
GRAND LODGE. Article 9
METROPOLITAN. Article 10
PEOVINCIAL. Article 11
ROYAL ARCH. Article 12
MARK MASONRY. Article 13
IRELAND. Article 13
INDIA. Article 13
LITERARY EXTRACTS. Article 14
Poetry. Article 16
THE WEEK. Article 17
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

ORIGIN OF FREEMASONRY . The origin of the modern form of Masonry cannot be attributed to Sir Christopher Wren , because the evidence of the present century shows that it had already taken the organisation of a Craft of Masons , and that the assemblies Avere held at Masons' Hall , in the City of London .

The Masons Company of London has its Master and Wardens , and is one of the prototypes ofthe modern organisation , though not , perhaps , the only one . This is a subject Avhich has not been sufficiently studied , and Avell deserves inquiry . I have had an idea that at York there AA as very probably a Masons '

Company , Avhich exercised a direct influence ; and so did very probably the Masons' Companies or guilds of other places . It is very desirable to have a list and particulars of these companies , and there we shall find evidences , I doubt notconnecting the present system with the

, medieval form published by Bro . Matthew Cooke , and Avhich would SIIOAV us our Masters , Senior and Junior Wardens , Deacons , Fellow Crafts , Apprentices , Tylers , Craft , and much of our constitutions and traditions .

There , too , we might find illustrations as to the constitutional practice of a Warden ruling the lodge , which is certainly in conformity Avith Craft practice of companies , some of Avhich have no Master , only a Senior Warden . We have taken more than the armorial bearings from the Masons CompanyAvhose records are yet to

, be searched . There are , to my mind , tAvo Masonic sites of antiquity to be restored to the practice of the Craft—Warrington and Masons' Hall ; and had I remained in London I had proposed to petition for a lodge in the latter locality . —HYDE CLARKE , Smyrna , Feb . 8 , 1865 .

THE HONOURABLE MISS ST . LEGER . Where can I find any account of the lady Mason —the Honourable Miss St . Leger ?—P . Q ,. —[ In our number for October the 22 nd , 1859 , page 305 . ] TRIANGULAR OR CUBIC PEDESTAL . Should the pedestals in use in lodges be of

triangular or cubic form , and Avhy ?—RIGHT ANGLE . THE PRESTONIAN LECTURE . Will there ever be another Prestonian lecture , or will the funds , appropriated for the same , quietly evaporate ?—STUDENS . THE HOLY EMPIRE .

Where can I obtain some knoAA'ledge of the Holy Empire?—S . P . E . S . —[ The Arnold Prize Essay for 1863 , by JAMES BRYCE , B . A ., is on the subject , and entitled The Holy JRoman Empire . Ifc is published hy Shrimpton , of Oxford . ] EARLY MASONIC POETRY .

What is the earliest collection of Masonic poetry extant?—W . P . —[ Sir Thomas Phillips , of Middlehill , has a . very old MS . of Masonic poetry , but , at present , it is not available to general students . ] THE CHEVALIER RAMSAY . Who are the lineal or collateral descendants of the Chevalier Ramsay ?—C . OF EDINBURGH .

DEFORMED BRETHREN . I pen this in no spirit of detraction . A deformed man may have , and often has , a larger mind than one more correctly made . Still , I always was given to understand no deformed person could be admitted a Mason . Am I right or Avrong ?—[ It was one of the old regulations that no one born halt or blind

should be made a Freemason . Now the case seems to be different . Who altered it , nobody knows and nobody cares . The old landmarks—nobody knows what they comprise or omit—are of no earthly authority , because everything is a landmark when an opponent desires to silence you , but nothing is a

landmark that stands in his way . We quite agree Avith you that deformed bodies are often the receptacles of the most pure and elevated minds , and we go even further , and think it is true Freemasonry to take to our bosoms , and fondly cherish , those in Avhom it has pleased the Almighty to allow His image to be imperfectly developed , and against Avhom the Avorld often points the finger of scorn because they are not as other men are . ]

MASONIC TIME . Has any one compiled a list of the various Masonic times which govern the different degrees ?—Ex . Ex . THE ARK . Past Masters and brethren having the privilege of attending Grand Lodge have said that it contains a

something Avhich they call the ark . IN ow , if it is not inconsistent with the duties of our rulers in the Craft , would some one be obliging enough to describe the same to one—NOT A MEMBER OF GRAND LODGE .

MUD HUTS . What were the mud huts like that Ave recently hear of in the lectures ?—AN ABORIGINE . —[ See any table of synonymes . You may call them wigAvams if you p lease . They are not quite as ancient as you may suppose , for the York lectures and those promulgated by the Lodge of Reconciliationnever mention them at

, all . It is only as we depart , daily , more and more from true Freemasonry that AA e find such interpolations countenanced . The mud hut order of architecture is entirely unknoAvn amongst classical , gothic , Elizabethan , composite , debased , or any other school of architects , past or present . Those who advocate

that new style should apply Martial ' s epigram ( Lib . v ., Ep . 56 )—" Avfces discere vulfc pecuniosas ? Fao , discat , eithai-cedus , nut clioraules ; Si dnri puer ingeni videtm-, Pi-aiconein facias , vel arcliitectuni . " ]

THE TAU AND CRUX AUSATA . What is the specific point of resemblance between the tau and crux ausata ? Do they indicate one and the same theories of faith , or are they merely modifications , the one of the other ?—STUDENS . —[ We must decline to answer the above . If we were to admit replies to such a boundless field of

investigation , fact , surmise , and theological heart-burning , we should be opening our columns to an endless controversy , displeasing to all and satisfactory to none . Of course we have our opinion on the question , and will be happy to mention our sources of information to " Studens" if he Avill again send us his address ; his former card we have mislaid . ]

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