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House Of Commons.

Mr . Pitt confessed the accounts of imports and exports to be incorrect , but supposed them as accurate as iu preceding years ; he also made seme remarks upon the advantageous terms of the Loan , which he had before forgotten to nfftice . Mr . Fox rose , and said , if what he believed were true , itwas idle for Englishmen to boast ofa free Constitution . The present system virtually included the abolition of the House of Commons , and the creation of a dictator , who , during the war , was to levy and expend at discretion . He adverted to the sums sent to the

Emperor without consent of Parliament . If this be the system , said he , the Constitution is not worth lighting for . In domestic expences the principle at least is ascertained . In the present instance , the Parliament has neither known the expence , nor been consulted concerning the principle ; and the Minister deserves to be impeached for shewing a design to dispose of the public money , without authority from the legal guardians of the public purse . He has also aggravated his offence by omitting to disclose it on the first day of the Sessions , and by withholding the Army Extraordinaries till the day before the Budget , In answer to what

Mr . Pitt had said of the valour of our ally , Mr . Fox asked , how- mercy , its usual concomitant , had been exercised towards the Marquis de la Fayette ? He theii pointed out the uniform errors of the Minister in calculating the force and finances of the enemy , and lamented that the everlasting mistakes of ope man should cost the country 150 million ; of money , and rivers of blood . By the operations of this day the National debt would be increased to 400 millions . —If the hypothesis of an eloquent writer ( Mr . fiurke ) were true , that the minority spoke the sense of the nationho-. v happened it that no attention had been paid to the universal wish

, for peace since Robespierre ' s fall , at which time better terms might have been obtained than at present . These topics he should discuss more at length , on a future day ; and he should also make some enquiries relative to the proposed regulation of the Post OIKce . The Resolutions moved by the Chancellor of the Exchequer were then put and carried , and the report ordered to be received to-morrow . Thursday , 8 . Mr . Grey , after observing that Alexander Morris had been guilty of a gross infraction of Ihe privileges of the House , moved , that the ' Speaker do

issue a warrant for the delinquent ' s committal lo Newgate . —Ordered . Mr . Grey then re-moved that the instigators of Morris , whom he understood to be Captain Bartlett and Mr . Speck , were culpable at least in an equal degree . A Sheriff ' s Officer who was present would give evidence that they put Morris into a coach and four , and assured him , that Mr . Thelluson would chearfuily repay his ex ' pe-ices , which could not exceed 500 I . He should therefore move , " That as practices were used to prevent A . Morris from appearing before the Southwark Committee , the matter of complaint should be heard at the Bat of the House .

Mr . Thelluson declared that he scarcely knew Captain Bartlett ; admitted Mr . Speck to be Un agent ; but averred upon his honour , that if concerned , they had acted without his Instructions . Mr . Anstruther moved the previous question , which was seconded by Mr . Pitt . Mr . Grey , with the-consent of the House , withdrew his motion . Mr . Hobart brought up the report of the Committee of Ways and Means , arid moved that the resolutions be read a first time . On the motion that the resolutions be read a second time

, Mr . Fox rose . He said he would decline for the present entering into a detail of those resolutions . What he meant to advert to , at present , was the degraded situation of the House with respect to the Executive Power . A servant of the Crown , in contempt of the law , bad sent i , 20 o , oool . to German } -, and till the House had solemnly pronounced on Ihe Minister's conduct , he should deem himself a traitor lo his country if he agreed to vote either a man or a shilling . In the case i ' . \ question , Ministers had been guilty of a direct breach of the Consti'ution . They had disposed of the money not only without convening the Parliament , but

without consulting it while actually sitting . Payments had been made so late as November , 1796 , and all this had been done , as if to shew that the power resided in the servants of tlie Crown . Another circumstance , not le _ ss singular , was that the House had yesterday , for tlie first time , been acquainted with the Spanish war , although it had been publicly intimated by the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland , though notice of granting letters of marque had appeared in the Gazette , and though the vol .. VIII . ¦ ¦ ¦ 1

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THE SCIENTIFIC MAGAZINE, AND FREEMASONS' REPOSITORY, FOR JANUARY 1797. Article 6
ON SUICIDE AND MADNESS. Article 14
TO THE EDITOR OF THE SCIENTIFIC MAGAZINE. Article 16
THE GHOST OF STERNE IN LONDON. Article 20
ESSAYS ON SUBJECTS CONNECTED WITH HISTORY AND CLASSICAL LEARNING. Article 24
LETTERS FROM LORD ESSEX TO QUEEN ELIZABETH. Article 31
THE DYING MIRA, A FRAGMENT. Article 32
ANECDOTES. Article 33
REMARKABLE RESEMBLANCE IN TWO TWIN BROTHERS. Article 35
SINGULAR INSTANCE OF A CAPACITY TO ENDURE ABSTINENCE AND HUNGER IN A SPIDER. Article 36
ABSENCE OF MIND. Article 37
FREEMASONS' REPOSITORY. Article 38
MASONRY FOUNDED ON SCRIPTURE. Article 38
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THE AFFLICTED PARENTS, AN ELEGY Article 54
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TO THE GLOW-WORM. Article 57
SONG. Article 57
EPITAPH ON A BEAUTIFUL BOY. Article 57
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 58
REPORT OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT. Article 60
HOUSE OF COMMONS. Article 60
MONTHLY CHRONICLE. Article 66
OBITUARY. Article 75
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House Of Commons.

Mr . Pitt confessed the accounts of imports and exports to be incorrect , but supposed them as accurate as iu preceding years ; he also made seme remarks upon the advantageous terms of the Loan , which he had before forgotten to nfftice . Mr . Fox rose , and said , if what he believed were true , itwas idle for Englishmen to boast ofa free Constitution . The present system virtually included the abolition of the House of Commons , and the creation of a dictator , who , during the war , was to levy and expend at discretion . He adverted to the sums sent to the

Emperor without consent of Parliament . If this be the system , said he , the Constitution is not worth lighting for . In domestic expences the principle at least is ascertained . In the present instance , the Parliament has neither known the expence , nor been consulted concerning the principle ; and the Minister deserves to be impeached for shewing a design to dispose of the public money , without authority from the legal guardians of the public purse . He has also aggravated his offence by omitting to disclose it on the first day of the Sessions , and by withholding the Army Extraordinaries till the day before the Budget , In answer to what

Mr . Pitt had said of the valour of our ally , Mr . Fox asked , how- mercy , its usual concomitant , had been exercised towards the Marquis de la Fayette ? He theii pointed out the uniform errors of the Minister in calculating the force and finances of the enemy , and lamented that the everlasting mistakes of ope man should cost the country 150 million ; of money , and rivers of blood . By the operations of this day the National debt would be increased to 400 millions . —If the hypothesis of an eloquent writer ( Mr . fiurke ) were true , that the minority spoke the sense of the nationho-. v happened it that no attention had been paid to the universal wish

, for peace since Robespierre ' s fall , at which time better terms might have been obtained than at present . These topics he should discuss more at length , on a future day ; and he should also make some enquiries relative to the proposed regulation of the Post OIKce . The Resolutions moved by the Chancellor of the Exchequer were then put and carried , and the report ordered to be received to-morrow . Thursday , 8 . Mr . Grey , after observing that Alexander Morris had been guilty of a gross infraction of Ihe privileges of the House , moved , that the ' Speaker do

issue a warrant for the delinquent ' s committal lo Newgate . —Ordered . Mr . Grey then re-moved that the instigators of Morris , whom he understood to be Captain Bartlett and Mr . Speck , were culpable at least in an equal degree . A Sheriff ' s Officer who was present would give evidence that they put Morris into a coach and four , and assured him , that Mr . Thelluson would chearfuily repay his ex ' pe-ices , which could not exceed 500 I . He should therefore move , " That as practices were used to prevent A . Morris from appearing before the Southwark Committee , the matter of complaint should be heard at the Bat of the House .

Mr . Thelluson declared that he scarcely knew Captain Bartlett ; admitted Mr . Speck to be Un agent ; but averred upon his honour , that if concerned , they had acted without his Instructions . Mr . Anstruther moved the previous question , which was seconded by Mr . Pitt . Mr . Grey , with the-consent of the House , withdrew his motion . Mr . Hobart brought up the report of the Committee of Ways and Means , arid moved that the resolutions be read a first time . On the motion that the resolutions be read a second time

, Mr . Fox rose . He said he would decline for the present entering into a detail of those resolutions . What he meant to advert to , at present , was the degraded situation of the House with respect to the Executive Power . A servant of the Crown , in contempt of the law , bad sent i , 20 o , oool . to German } -, and till the House had solemnly pronounced on Ihe Minister's conduct , he should deem himself a traitor lo his country if he agreed to vote either a man or a shilling . In the case i ' . \ question , Ministers had been guilty of a direct breach of the Consti'ution . They had disposed of the money not only without convening the Parliament , but

without consulting it while actually sitting . Payments had been made so late as November , 1796 , and all this had been done , as if to shew that the power resided in the servants of tlie Crown . Another circumstance , not le _ ss singular , was that the House had yesterday , for tlie first time , been acquainted with the Spanish war , although it had been publicly intimated by the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland , though notice of granting letters of marque had appeared in the Gazette , and though the vol .. VIII . ¦ ¦ ¦ 1

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