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they could therefore not do otherwise than refuse to allow a certificate to be issued to any person coming from such a body . Comp . Gole still Avanted information on the subject . If the Brother proved himself a Mason , and could work himself through his several degrees , and had been admitted a member of an English Chapter , he ought to have his certificate ; as , of course , the Principals would not have admitted hirn without they felt they had authority to do so ; and . he therefore submitted that the certificate could not be withheld .
Comp . Crohn would ask the Avorthy Companion who had just spoken whether , if a man were initiated in a spurious Lodge , they would be justified in admitting him in a legal Lodge , or exalting him in a legal Chapter . If the Principals of a subordinate Chapter made mistakes , the Grand Chapter could not legalize them by admitting the Companion exalted by such mistake . Comp . Pattison again repeated that the Grand Chapter had no knowledge of the Grand Lodge of Turkey .
Comp . Cole said that Comp . Crohn appeared to have come to the conclusion that the Turkish Lodge was spurious , but what evidence had they that it was so ? If tradition would ; assist them at all , they would find that the Ottoman subjects were first-rate Masons—and'though their Lodges might not be recognized by the Grand Lodge of England , they had a right to be received as brothers if they could prove themselves to be so . He had a right to suppose that the Principals of the
All Souls Chapter had taken the proper . steps to convince themselves that the Brother was in possession of our secrets , and having done so , were right' in admitting him to the Arch , though he might not be within the pale of the English constitution . He had taken up the subject upon the spur of the moment , not being aAvare of any legal objection to the ad mission of the Brother ; and he made bold to say that they had now a graceful opportunity of evincing their brotherly feelings towards a subject of another country , Avhatever his creed .
It was here explained that there was nothing before the Grand Chapter to show Avhether the person alluded to was the subject of another country , or what was his creed ; which had nothing to do with the subject . Comp . Gole , believing he was right in the view that he had taken , would moA ^ e that the claim of the Companion be admitted and his certificate granted . Comp . Cooper seconded the motion . Comp . Roxburgh submitted that it was impossible to admit the claim , even if it were regularly before Grand Chapter , which it was not . It was clear the person came from a Lodge which was not recognized by the Grand Lodge of England , and therefore could not be received . The Grand Lodge of Turkey , as it was
called , Avas one of three Lodges , all of which were working without warrants . The so-called Grand Lodge was not recognized by any Masonic authority , excepting by one small Italian state—and even if it were , what evidence had they that the person alluded to had been a Master Mason twelve months before he claimed to be exalted . It appeared to him that the committee had not only done its duty in refusing to recognize the brother , but that they ought to have gone further , and called upon the All Souls Chapter to explain the circumstances under which they admitted him .
Comp . Symonds said , it was difficult to know what bodies were recognized by Grand Lodge . In France there were two Grand Lodges , the one holding the English or York rite , and the other the Grand Orient , which was generally understood to be meant when the Grand Lodge of France was spoken of . He apprehended they would have no power to refuse to exalt a brother , if he proved himself to have been regularly initiated under either of those bodies , or under the Grand Lodge of Belgium ; and he did not Ree what other course they could adopt
Avith regard to this Grand Lodge of Turkey , excepting ; it could be proved that there was an acknowledged Grand Lodge previously in existence . He also found , that formerly four Lodges in England constituted themselves into a Grand Lodge , which was ultimately recognized , that being the foundation of the present Grand Lodge of England . Tlie law said that a Master Mason might be exalted into the Arch upon giving proof that he had been so twelve months and upwards ; and the question with him was , had satisfactory proof given to tho Weymouth Chapter .
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they could therefore not do otherwise than refuse to allow a certificate to be issued to any person coming from such a body . Comp . Gole still Avanted information on the subject . If the Brother proved himself a Mason , and could work himself through his several degrees , and had been admitted a member of an English Chapter , he ought to have his certificate ; as , of course , the Principals would not have admitted hirn without they felt they had authority to do so ; and . he therefore submitted that the certificate could not be withheld .
Comp . Crohn would ask the Avorthy Companion who had just spoken whether , if a man were initiated in a spurious Lodge , they would be justified in admitting him in a legal Lodge , or exalting him in a legal Chapter . If the Principals of a subordinate Chapter made mistakes , the Grand Chapter could not legalize them by admitting the Companion exalted by such mistake . Comp . Pattison again repeated that the Grand Chapter had no knowledge of the Grand Lodge of Turkey .
Comp . Cole said that Comp . Crohn appeared to have come to the conclusion that the Turkish Lodge was spurious , but what evidence had they that it was so ? If tradition would ; assist them at all , they would find that the Ottoman subjects were first-rate Masons—and'though their Lodges might not be recognized by the Grand Lodge of England , they had a right to be received as brothers if they could prove themselves to be so . He had a right to suppose that the Principals of the
All Souls Chapter had taken the proper . steps to convince themselves that the Brother was in possession of our secrets , and having done so , were right' in admitting him to the Arch , though he might not be within the pale of the English constitution . He had taken up the subject upon the spur of the moment , not being aAvare of any legal objection to the ad mission of the Brother ; and he made bold to say that they had now a graceful opportunity of evincing their brotherly feelings towards a subject of another country , Avhatever his creed .
It was here explained that there was nothing before the Grand Chapter to show Avhether the person alluded to was the subject of another country , or what was his creed ; which had nothing to do with the subject . Comp . Gole , believing he was right in the view that he had taken , would moA ^ e that the claim of the Companion be admitted and his certificate granted . Comp . Cooper seconded the motion . Comp . Roxburgh submitted that it was impossible to admit the claim , even if it were regularly before Grand Chapter , which it was not . It was clear the person came from a Lodge which was not recognized by the Grand Lodge of England , and therefore could not be received . The Grand Lodge of Turkey , as it was
called , Avas one of three Lodges , all of which were working without warrants . The so-called Grand Lodge was not recognized by any Masonic authority , excepting by one small Italian state—and even if it were , what evidence had they that the person alluded to had been a Master Mason twelve months before he claimed to be exalted . It appeared to him that the committee had not only done its duty in refusing to recognize the brother , but that they ought to have gone further , and called upon the All Souls Chapter to explain the circumstances under which they admitted him .
Comp . Symonds said , it was difficult to know what bodies were recognized by Grand Lodge . In France there were two Grand Lodges , the one holding the English or York rite , and the other the Grand Orient , which was generally understood to be meant when the Grand Lodge of France was spoken of . He apprehended they would have no power to refuse to exalt a brother , if he proved himself to have been regularly initiated under either of those bodies , or under the Grand Lodge of Belgium ; and he did not Ree what other course they could adopt
Avith regard to this Grand Lodge of Turkey , excepting ; it could be proved that there was an acknowledged Grand Lodge previously in existence . He also found , that formerly four Lodges in England constituted themselves into a Grand Lodge , which was ultimately recognized , that being the foundation of the present Grand Lodge of England . Tlie law said that a Master Mason might be exalted into the Arch upon giving proof that he had been so twelve months and upwards ; and the question with him was , had satisfactory proof given to tho Weymouth Chapter .