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He should be disposed to support a motion for further inquiry into the matter ; and he would therefore move that the question be referred back to the general committee , to report thereon at the next convocation of Grand Chapter . Comp . Gole said , he . would withdraw his own motion , and second that of Comp . Symonds . ( Laughter . ) The M . E . Z . said , if the brother had been regularly initiated ; after the proper time he had a right to be exalted—and he did not see what was to be gained by further inquiry .
Comp . Havers said , that Comp . Gole had made four or five speeches on the same subject , during which he had moved one resolution , and seconded another—( laughter )—all founded upon a suppositious case , ¦ ¦ proposing to grant a certificate to a Brother , whose name they were not in possession of , and whose Lodge they did not know . Though perhaps not strictly in order , as there was really no question before Grand Chapter , he thought he might do some good by calling attention to the position in which they stood . He was surprised to hear from Comp . Symonds , the comparison he had instituted between the Grand Lodges of
I ranee and Belgium and the so-called Grand Lodge Of Turkey ; there was no analogy between them . The existence of the former Grand Lodges Avere knoAvn and accepted facts—not so the latter . The circumstances were briefly theseduring the Crimean Avar a number of English , Irish and Scotch Masons found themselves in Smyrna , and formed themselves into a Lodge . So far so good ; their next course should have been to have decided , under which jurisdiction they would desire to act , and to have applied for a warrant , authorizing them to meet as a regular Lodge . They did not do so ; they acted without warrant , or . at
least none Avas forthcoming—and they did more , they erected themselves into an independent Grand Lodge , called it the Grand Lodge of Turkey , and applied for recognition to the Grand Lodges of France , England and Ireland , and were of course refused . He admitted the case as stated was a hardship upon the individual ; but those were bad laws generally , Avhich Avere made to meet individual cases ; and the difficulty in this case might be arranged hereafter . That Avas not a question for them now to consider . He agreed Avith Bro . Crohn , that this was
the case of a Brother made by spurious means , and with the Grand Registrar , that the Chapter who had exalted this Brother , should be called on for an explanation . He felt this the more , as he understood that the so-called Grand Lodge of Turkey was now repudiated by ^ ome of its form er members . Comp . Gole—It is not so > stated in the report , Comp . Roxburgh—It is not usual to state the evidence in giving the decree , ( laughter ) .
Comp . Symonds would like to know how they Avere to form a new Lodge in a new country , unless a number ef Brethren could meet together and constitute themselves into a Lodge . He looked upon it that they were in the same position with regard to this Lodge , as Avith the two Grand Lodges of France , and his only desire was to have the matter inquired into by the Committee . Comp . Havers was not prepared to Fitate further than he had already done what course should be puraucd in the case now put by Bro . Symonds ; but he believed that if twenty or thirty Masons met as stated , they could select one to preside
over them , and Avould have authority to act , petitioning the body from which they or aome of them held to grant them a warrant and { -sanction their proceedings . But in this case a number of Masons , principally Scotch , he believed , met and formed themselves into a Lodge , under authority of a warrant which was said to bo in somebody ' s portmanteau , but which was never produced . Now , with regard to the position of the Grand Lodge of England in the early part of last century , to which Bro . Symondn had alluded , he appeared , in common with many others
to have fallen into error . That case had of late been frequently and erroneously quoted . In 1717 , many years after the death of Sir 0 . Wren , there had been no Grand Master elected , and the Grand Lodge fell into abeyance . To call it again iuto existence , the Masters of four Lodges did , as warranted by the Constitutions of that day , summon the Brethren of all the Lodges to meet and choose a Grand Master—there was at that time but one Lodge meeting under the York constitution . In consequence of such summons , perfectly regular and constitutional in t 2
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He should be disposed to support a motion for further inquiry into the matter ; and he would therefore move that the question be referred back to the general committee , to report thereon at the next convocation of Grand Chapter . Comp . Gole said , he . would withdraw his own motion , and second that of Comp . Symonds . ( Laughter . ) The M . E . Z . said , if the brother had been regularly initiated ; after the proper time he had a right to be exalted—and he did not see what was to be gained by further inquiry .
Comp . Havers said , that Comp . Gole had made four or five speeches on the same subject , during which he had moved one resolution , and seconded another—( laughter )—all founded upon a suppositious case , ¦ ¦ proposing to grant a certificate to a Brother , whose name they were not in possession of , and whose Lodge they did not know . Though perhaps not strictly in order , as there was really no question before Grand Chapter , he thought he might do some good by calling attention to the position in which they stood . He was surprised to hear from Comp . Symonds , the comparison he had instituted between the Grand Lodges of
I ranee and Belgium and the so-called Grand Lodge Of Turkey ; there was no analogy between them . The existence of the former Grand Lodges Avere knoAvn and accepted facts—not so the latter . The circumstances were briefly theseduring the Crimean Avar a number of English , Irish and Scotch Masons found themselves in Smyrna , and formed themselves into a Lodge . So far so good ; their next course should have been to have decided , under which jurisdiction they would desire to act , and to have applied for a warrant , authorizing them to meet as a regular Lodge . They did not do so ; they acted without warrant , or . at
least none Avas forthcoming—and they did more , they erected themselves into an independent Grand Lodge , called it the Grand Lodge of Turkey , and applied for recognition to the Grand Lodges of France , England and Ireland , and were of course refused . He admitted the case as stated was a hardship upon the individual ; but those were bad laws generally , Avhich Avere made to meet individual cases ; and the difficulty in this case might be arranged hereafter . That Avas not a question for them now to consider . He agreed Avith Bro . Crohn , that this was
the case of a Brother made by spurious means , and with the Grand Registrar , that the Chapter who had exalted this Brother , should be called on for an explanation . He felt this the more , as he understood that the so-called Grand Lodge of Turkey was now repudiated by ^ ome of its form er members . Comp . Gole—It is not so > stated in the report , Comp . Roxburgh—It is not usual to state the evidence in giving the decree , ( laughter ) .
Comp . Symonds would like to know how they Avere to form a new Lodge in a new country , unless a number ef Brethren could meet together and constitute themselves into a Lodge . He looked upon it that they were in the same position with regard to this Lodge , as Avith the two Grand Lodges of France , and his only desire was to have the matter inquired into by the Committee . Comp . Havers was not prepared to Fitate further than he had already done what course should be puraucd in the case now put by Bro . Symonds ; but he believed that if twenty or thirty Masons met as stated , they could select one to preside
over them , and Avould have authority to act , petitioning the body from which they or aome of them held to grant them a warrant and { -sanction their proceedings . But in this case a number of Masons , principally Scotch , he believed , met and formed themselves into a Lodge , under authority of a warrant which was said to bo in somebody ' s portmanteau , but which was never produced . Now , with regard to the position of the Grand Lodge of England in the early part of last century , to which Bro . Symondn had alluded , he appeared , in common with many others
to have fallen into error . That case had of late been frequently and erroneously quoted . In 1717 , many years after the death of Sir 0 . Wren , there had been no Grand Master elected , and the Grand Lodge fell into abeyance . To call it again iuto existence , the Masters of four Lodges did , as warranted by the Constitutions of that day , summon the Brethren of all the Lodges to meet and choose a Grand Master—there was at that time but one Lodge meeting under the York constitution . In consequence of such summons , perfectly regular and constitutional in t 2