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Masonic Notes And Queries.

answer to this question , as it is one on which great diversity of opinion prevails . At any rate the subject is worth inquiry , and we shall willingly receive replies to it . ] VOUCHING . I am about to go abroad for the first time . I

believe I can prove myself , and have my certificates ; but will not a letter of introduction from some brother here help me in gaining admission to a foreign lodge?—CIRCLE . — [ Your certificates aud examination will stand you in better stead than any letter of introduction . How can you prove your identity as

the hearer of the letter ? With your hands , your tongue , and your certificates , all is in your own ^ ve-r . )

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

Tim Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed hy Correspondents , MASONIC CHARITIES . TO TUB EDITOR OF TIIE FKEESIASOITS' MAGAZINE A ^ D SIASOXIC AIIBROH . DEAR SIE AND BROTHER , —The verbose productions of a " W . M ., " in your last impression , in reply

to my former letter , if not so courteous as usual , is still deserving of my careful notice , though to satisfy a " W . M . " in style of writing seems no easy matter . Surely , when one has so very simple and so very practical a subject to deal with , it is unnecessary to

encumber it with flowery language , a modicum of common sense being of greater utility than a legion of unmeaning tirades . While a " W . M . " denounces my proposition as " unconstitutional , " he furnishes an illustration of an

exactly parallel case , as acted on by the Grand Lodge with respect to thc Fund of Benevolence . If a " W . M . " is fond of this constitutional discovery he will find , on referring to my former letters , that I had anticipated him , and had adopted the same principle in levying , and the identical mode of collection .

A " W . M . " is disappointed that the simple question of levying half-a-crown yearly from each member for each Charity is not dealt with in a " comprehensive spirit ; " he bewails a lack of " eloquence , reasoning , sympathy , and constructive theory . " He even seems vexed that " inventive powers" do not alter the

substance of the proposition , and throughout forgets that he had declared it would " inevitable led to good results . " I am pleased to hear that our highlyrespected but sorely afflicted Bro . Crew had entertained some such idea as I have suggested to benefit

the Charities , and if a "W . M . " will explain the " ably defined" scheme I shall be greatly obliged , for although I often heard our estimable brother dilate on the Charities *' ¦ years ago , " I failed to he present at the moment when he propounded his system .

The elaborate distinction drawn by a- " AV . M . " between " paying" and " giving" is so self-evident that it hardly required the exercise of so much care ; but

Correspondence.

I can assure him . that there are lodges which have for many years adopted the paying system , and stillwhose members have always been amongst the most , liberal givers to those Charities to which they arerated . This , I doubt not , would spread on the development of the proposed scheme , for it cannot

hedenied that there is a lamentable amount of ignorance as to the value of the Masonic Charities , which this plan might tend to enlighten , and likewise arouse the latent feeling of beneficence to active exertion . Passing over the hypercritical remark of a " W . M ., "'

it may be well to observe that , as the Charities wereeach in the first instance an expression to which Grand Lodge might not feel justified in committing itself , having now become ' an established fact , substantially domiciled and carefully tended , the time has arrived for their permanent endowment . Surely it cannot be

denied that they have gained a status which entitles - them to a recognition by Grand Lodge , a registration in the " Book of Constitutions , " and the support of every Freemason , by an equal contribution in the first . place , and by continued spontaneous liberality from , the more able and enthusiastic as heretofore .

As to a " change from a voluntary to an involuntarysupport , " a "W . M . " must be aware that I never advocated such a proposal ; on the contrary , I maintained that the £ 12 , 500 which the scheme would easily and without cost produce , would be an addition

to the -616 , 500 now raised by voluntary effort ; nay , further , that I honestly believe the latter sum would be considerably augmented by the introduction of a supplementary system . I am , truly and fraternally yours , P . M .

October 31 st , 1864 . P . S . —If a " W . M . " will substitute the word " unconstitutional" for the misprint " unconditional , " he may then understand the fifth paragraph of my former letter , in which I briefly showed the futility of basing a propostion on an unsound foundation merely torevel in its fall . —P . M .

South Wales.

SOUTH WALES .

TO TEE ED 1 TOK OT TIIE niEElTASOJIS' 3 IAKAZISE AXD HASOHIC MI 11 I 10 B .. DEAB SIE AND BROTHER , —Deeming your valuaable journal the proper medium for the discussion of all matters relating to Masonic law and practice , may I be permitted to introduce a subject upon which there is , evidently , some difference of opinion ? I

have already privately placed the facts of the easebefore you , and received , iu your " Answers to Correspondents , " a reply perfectly in accordance with my own judgment in the matter , after a modest but . careful study of the " Book of Constitutions " over the period of a- dozen years . Allow me also to assure .

“The Freemasons' Monthly Magazine: 1864-11-05, Page 8” Masonic Periodicals Online, Library and Museum of Freemasonry, 21 March 2023, masonicperiodicals.org/periodicals/mmr/issues/mmr_05111864/page/8/.
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FREEMASONRY IN HULL. Article 1
THE FINE ARTS IN CONNECTION WITH THE CHURCH. Article 1
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CORRESPONDENCE. Article 8
SOUTH WALES. Article 8
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 9
METROPOLITAN. Article 9
PROVINCIAL. Article 10
ROYAL ARCH. Article 11
ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE. Article 13
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 13
MARK MASONRY. Article 13
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 13
INDIA. Article 13
COLONIAL. Article 14
Poetry. Article 16
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 16
THE WEEK. Article 17
TO CORRESPO NDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

answer to this question , as it is one on which great diversity of opinion prevails . At any rate the subject is worth inquiry , and we shall willingly receive replies to it . ] VOUCHING . I am about to go abroad for the first time . I

believe I can prove myself , and have my certificates ; but will not a letter of introduction from some brother here help me in gaining admission to a foreign lodge?—CIRCLE . — [ Your certificates aud examination will stand you in better stead than any letter of introduction . How can you prove your identity as

the hearer of the letter ? With your hands , your tongue , and your certificates , all is in your own ^ ve-r . )

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

Tim Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed hy Correspondents , MASONIC CHARITIES . TO TUB EDITOR OF TIIE FKEESIASOITS' MAGAZINE A ^ D SIASOXIC AIIBROH . DEAR SIE AND BROTHER , —The verbose productions of a " W . M ., " in your last impression , in reply

to my former letter , if not so courteous as usual , is still deserving of my careful notice , though to satisfy a " W . M . " in style of writing seems no easy matter . Surely , when one has so very simple and so very practical a subject to deal with , it is unnecessary to

encumber it with flowery language , a modicum of common sense being of greater utility than a legion of unmeaning tirades . While a " W . M . " denounces my proposition as " unconstitutional , " he furnishes an illustration of an

exactly parallel case , as acted on by the Grand Lodge with respect to thc Fund of Benevolence . If a " W . M . " is fond of this constitutional discovery he will find , on referring to my former letters , that I had anticipated him , and had adopted the same principle in levying , and the identical mode of collection .

A " W . M . " is disappointed that the simple question of levying half-a-crown yearly from each member for each Charity is not dealt with in a " comprehensive spirit ; " he bewails a lack of " eloquence , reasoning , sympathy , and constructive theory . " He even seems vexed that " inventive powers" do not alter the

substance of the proposition , and throughout forgets that he had declared it would " inevitable led to good results . " I am pleased to hear that our highlyrespected but sorely afflicted Bro . Crew had entertained some such idea as I have suggested to benefit

the Charities , and if a "W . M . " will explain the " ably defined" scheme I shall be greatly obliged , for although I often heard our estimable brother dilate on the Charities *' ¦ years ago , " I failed to he present at the moment when he propounded his system .

The elaborate distinction drawn by a- " AV . M . " between " paying" and " giving" is so self-evident that it hardly required the exercise of so much care ; but

Correspondence.

I can assure him . that there are lodges which have for many years adopted the paying system , and stillwhose members have always been amongst the most , liberal givers to those Charities to which they arerated . This , I doubt not , would spread on the development of the proposed scheme , for it cannot

hedenied that there is a lamentable amount of ignorance as to the value of the Masonic Charities , which this plan might tend to enlighten , and likewise arouse the latent feeling of beneficence to active exertion . Passing over the hypercritical remark of a " W . M ., "'

it may be well to observe that , as the Charities wereeach in the first instance an expression to which Grand Lodge might not feel justified in committing itself , having now become ' an established fact , substantially domiciled and carefully tended , the time has arrived for their permanent endowment . Surely it cannot be

denied that they have gained a status which entitles - them to a recognition by Grand Lodge , a registration in the " Book of Constitutions , " and the support of every Freemason , by an equal contribution in the first . place , and by continued spontaneous liberality from , the more able and enthusiastic as heretofore .

As to a " change from a voluntary to an involuntarysupport , " a "W . M . " must be aware that I never advocated such a proposal ; on the contrary , I maintained that the £ 12 , 500 which the scheme would easily and without cost produce , would be an addition

to the -616 , 500 now raised by voluntary effort ; nay , further , that I honestly believe the latter sum would be considerably augmented by the introduction of a supplementary system . I am , truly and fraternally yours , P . M .

October 31 st , 1864 . P . S . —If a " W . M . " will substitute the word " unconstitutional" for the misprint " unconditional , " he may then understand the fifth paragraph of my former letter , in which I briefly showed the futility of basing a propostion on an unsound foundation merely torevel in its fall . —P . M .

South Wales.

SOUTH WALES .

TO TEE ED 1 TOK OT TIIE niEElTASOJIS' 3 IAKAZISE AXD HASOHIC MI 11 I 10 B .. DEAB SIE AND BROTHER , —Deeming your valuaable journal the proper medium for the discussion of all matters relating to Masonic law and practice , may I be permitted to introduce a subject upon which there is , evidently , some difference of opinion ? I

have already privately placed the facts of the easebefore you , and received , iu your " Answers to Correspondents , " a reply perfectly in accordance with my own judgment in the matter , after a modest but . careful study of the " Book of Constitutions " over the period of a- dozen years . Allow me also to assure .

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