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THE MASONIC MIEEOE . —? MASONIC MEMS . The Scientific Lodge ( So . 1112 ) , is to be consecrated at tbe

Cock Hotel , Stony Stratford , on Saturdaj' , the 15 th inst . The annual festival of the Globe Lodge of Instruction , will take place at Bro . Hartley ' s , Old Bond-street , on Thursday eveningnext .

Supreme Grand Lodge.

SUPREME GRAND LODGE .

Tbe quarterly communication ivas held in Freemasons' Hall on Wednesday last , the M . W . G . M . the Eight Hon . the Earl of Zetland presiding , supported by Bro . Admiral Sir L . Curtis , Prov . G . M . Hants , as D . G . M . ; Bros . Dundas as S . G . W ., and Perkins , J . G . W . ; Bros . Bowyer , Prov . G . M . Oxford ; Burlton , P . Prov . G . M . Bengal ; Ramsay , Prov . G . M . Bengal ; Hall , Prov . G . M . Cambridge and P . G . Reg . ; Chev . Hebeler , P . G . W . ( Representative from the Grand Lodge , Berlin ); Revs . A . Ward and W . W . Bowyer , G . Chaps . ;

Rev . Sir J . Hayes , P . G . Chap . ; Bros . S . Tomkins , G . Treas . ; F . Roxburgh , G . Reg . ; W . Gray Clarke , G . Sec ; L . Crombie , S . G . D . ; S . B , Wilson , J . G . D . ; J . Havers , J . Nelson , J . N . Tomkins , F . Slight , T . R . White , W . P . Scott , J . Savage , J . Hervev , J . S . Hopwood , G . W . Iv . Potter , H . Faudell , J . Uclall , E . Phillips , P . G . D ' s . ; S . W . Dawkes , G . Sup . Works ; A . W . Woods , G . D . C . ; Dr . Harcourt , Asst . G . D . C ; R . W . Jennings , P . G . D . C ; T . Chapman , P . A . G . D . C ; H . Bridges , G . S . B . ; J . LI . Evans , A . A . Le Veau ,

J . It . Spiers , G . E . Pocock , D . Gooch , E . H . Patten , P . G . S . B's . ; W . Farnfield , Asst . G . Sec . ; T . A . Adams , G . Purst . ; D . R . Farmer , Asst . G . Purst . ; F . W . Breigtlbig ancl Jos . Smith , P . G . Pursts ., arid about 150 other brethren . The G . Sec . made an apology for the non-attendance of Lord Londesborough , S . G . W ., ivho is abroad , ancl Bro . W . W . Wheeler , J . G . D ., in consequence of ilbiess . The lodge having been duly opened , ancl the minutes of the last meeting read and confirmed , The M . W . G . M . rose to bring under tbe consideration of the brethren tbe statement of which be had given notice relative to

TEE GEAINT ) XODG-E OS MAINE . His LOEDSHIP said;—Brethren , in rising to bring under your notice the correspondence which has taken place between myself and the Grand Lodge of Maine , I Avould observe that , if any brother wishes to bave the correspondence read at length , ifc shall be clone . It has , however , lain in the Grand Secretary ' s office for some clays for the inspection of the brethren ; ancl I may observe that its reading will occupy something like an hour and a quarter .

( Laughter . ) I have carefully prepared an epitome of the correspondence , to lay correctly before you the whole case , so as to enable every brother to form his own judgment upon tbe subject . Great pains bave been taken to make that statement as complete as possible , so that I might not leave out any point of importance in the question at issue ; ancl should no brother desire the correspondence to be read , I ivill at once proceed to make my statement . ( Hear hear . ) Although the correspondence on this subject is

lengthy , the gist of it lies in a very small compass . In October , 1 S 57 , I received a communication from Bro . Dunlap , G . M . of the Grand Lodge of Maine , complaining that the Union Lodge at St . Stephen's , New Brunswick—which holds its warrant under the Grand Lodge of England—had initiated individuals whose residence ivas on the American side of the boundary , and that they had thereby violated the privileges and invaded the jurisdiction of the St . Croix Lodat Calaisivhich privileges were conferred upon

ge , that lodge by special enactment of the Grand Lodge of Maine . Bro . Dunlap further informed me that the proceeding complained of was in violation also of a private agreement entered into between the two lodges in question . I acknowledged his letter , promised inquiry , ancl directed that an investigation should be made forthwith . No reply was received from the Union Lodge for several months . Immediately upon its receipt I directed a letter to be

written to tbe Grand Master of Maine . As that letter briefly embraces my view of the whole case , I shall now read ifc to you . Freemasons' Hall , Zondon , July , 1858 . M . W . SIE AND BEOTHEE , —I have the honour to inform you that , in obedience to the commands of tbe M . W . Grand Master , the Earl of Zetland , and in conformity with the tenour of my letter of the 11 th December 1857 an inquiry bas been instituted into the

, , circumstances £ hafc have caused a temporary misunderstanding between the St : Croix Lodge at Calais , in the State of Maine , and the Union Lodge , A o . 866 , at St . Stephen ' s , New Brunswick . Tho case-divides itself into two parts—First as to , the right of a lodge to initiate persons residing in a country under another Masonic

jurisdiction ; and secondly , what course of action a lodge ought to pursue which has , by its own act , divested itself of such right . With respect to the jfirst part , the M . W . Grand Master is of opinion that every lodge possesses the abstract right to initiate any person whom it may consider fit and proper , without considering where his residence may be . For example—Lodges in tbe county of Northumberland have an undoubted right to initiate persons residing in Scotlandand lod in Scotland have a sunilar right to

, ges initiate persons residing in England . Nor can the Grand Lodge of either country complain of , or object to such a proceeding . It is for the person who seeks admittance into the order to select the lodge in which he wishes to be initiated . With regard to the second part of the question , as to the course a lodge ought to pursue that lias by its own act divested itself of such rightand has bound itself not initiate individual residing iu the

, any territory under another Masonic jurisdiction , such arrangementnot being at variance with the spirit of the constitutions under which they act—ought to be carried out faithfully ; even though attended at times with some slight inconvenience . But independently of any existing arrangements , the M . W . Grand Master is of opinion that it is not desirable nor convenient that a lodge should bind itself to confine its initiations to residents initiate

in its own immediate locality ; or that it should only persons residing over a certain territorial boundary line with the consent of a lodge working on the other side of such line , even with the proviso—as proposed by Union Lodge—that sufficient reasons should be given for withholding such consent . And it must be self evident , that when one lodge gives the reasons , and the other is to be the judge ivhether those reasons are sufficient , frequent

difficulties and disputes are sure to arise . In conclusion , I have only to remark , that the opinion of the M . W . Grand Master bas been communicated to the Union Lodge , and that ifc has been impressed on them , that private arrangements once entered upon should be strictly and honourably fulfilled . Trusting therefore that the misunderstanding between the two lodges will soon be removed , and that each will hold out the right hand of good fellowship to the otherand practise in their fullest

, extent brotherly love and forbearance , I have the honour to be , M . W . Sir and Brother , fraternally yours , War . GKAT CIAEK , G . S . ROBEET P . DUNXAP , Esq ., M . W . Grand 3 Iaster of the Grand Lodge of Maine , Brunswick , Me .

I believe that the decision ivhich I here gave is in strict conformity with our laws and practice . In August , 1859 , 1 received a reply from Bro . Hiram Chase , tbe new Grand Master of Maine , taking exceptions to my view , sending me a report of a Committee of the Grand Lodge of Maine upon the subject , ancl requesting that , upon a review of the ease , I would require all lodges to abstain from the act complained of . Iu the same month I replied to that letter , reiterating inionancl stating that I did not possess the

my op , power , nor did I think it desirable that I should possess it , of dic- ^ fating to subordinate lodges any rule as to the place of residence of those whom they shall initiate into Masonry . In October of this year I received this letter from Bro . Drummoucl , now Grand Master of Maine , ivhich , together with all the other papers , I have directed to be laid before you . Ifc appears from a careful perusal of these that the " Grand Lodge of Maine no longer presses the

papers violation of a private agreement said to have been entered into hy the two lodges in question , nor does it insist upon their conduct being a breach of the regulations said to have been agreed to at an universal Masonic Congress , as it had done in the earlier part of the correspondence—but its comp laint is founded upon ivhat is termed " an invasion of its territorial jurisdiction "—and that is really tho only subject which we shall have to consider . I must here remark licable

that in the correspondence it is stated that laws which are app to the Grand Lodges of England , Ireland , and Scotland , are not suitable to the Grand Lodges in the United States . I must draw your attention to a charge made against me of unnecessary delay . 1 must point out to you that the positions I have advanced are declared to be inconclusive and untenable , and , that , lastly I am told that " my expressed opinion " is incompetent to settle the matter , which is

and that it is the opinion and action of my Grand Lodge required . I Avill dispose of these matters first before I address you on the main question . I would beg Grand Lodge to observe that in all communications until that of October last my opinion and my action have alone been asked . I have given that opinion to the best of my ability , and I have the most confident impression that it is in which I shall hav entire concurrence . My opinion

one e your being adverse to that put forward by the Grand Lodge of Maine , I am told that it is incompetent to settle the question . I need not say how cheerfully I submit the matter to your judgment . As regards the question ol delay , I can only say that the correspondence itself sufficiently proves that charge to be unreasonable and unjust ; and I may refer to the fact that in two instances a delay of

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THE MASONIC MIEEOE . —? MASONIC MEMS . The Scientific Lodge ( So . 1112 ) , is to be consecrated at tbe

Cock Hotel , Stony Stratford , on Saturdaj' , the 15 th inst . The annual festival of the Globe Lodge of Instruction , will take place at Bro . Hartley ' s , Old Bond-street , on Thursday eveningnext .

Supreme Grand Lodge.

SUPREME GRAND LODGE .

Tbe quarterly communication ivas held in Freemasons' Hall on Wednesday last , the M . W . G . M . the Eight Hon . the Earl of Zetland presiding , supported by Bro . Admiral Sir L . Curtis , Prov . G . M . Hants , as D . G . M . ; Bros . Dundas as S . G . W ., and Perkins , J . G . W . ; Bros . Bowyer , Prov . G . M . Oxford ; Burlton , P . Prov . G . M . Bengal ; Ramsay , Prov . G . M . Bengal ; Hall , Prov . G . M . Cambridge and P . G . Reg . ; Chev . Hebeler , P . G . W . ( Representative from the Grand Lodge , Berlin ); Revs . A . Ward and W . W . Bowyer , G . Chaps . ;

Rev . Sir J . Hayes , P . G . Chap . ; Bros . S . Tomkins , G . Treas . ; F . Roxburgh , G . Reg . ; W . Gray Clarke , G . Sec ; L . Crombie , S . G . D . ; S . B , Wilson , J . G . D . ; J . Havers , J . Nelson , J . N . Tomkins , F . Slight , T . R . White , W . P . Scott , J . Savage , J . Hervev , J . S . Hopwood , G . W . Iv . Potter , H . Faudell , J . Uclall , E . Phillips , P . G . D ' s . ; S . W . Dawkes , G . Sup . Works ; A . W . Woods , G . D . C . ; Dr . Harcourt , Asst . G . D . C ; R . W . Jennings , P . G . D . C ; T . Chapman , P . A . G . D . C ; H . Bridges , G . S . B . ; J . LI . Evans , A . A . Le Veau ,

J . It . Spiers , G . E . Pocock , D . Gooch , E . H . Patten , P . G . S . B's . ; W . Farnfield , Asst . G . Sec . ; T . A . Adams , G . Purst . ; D . R . Farmer , Asst . G . Purst . ; F . W . Breigtlbig ancl Jos . Smith , P . G . Pursts ., arid about 150 other brethren . The G . Sec . made an apology for the non-attendance of Lord Londesborough , S . G . W ., ivho is abroad , ancl Bro . W . W . Wheeler , J . G . D ., in consequence of ilbiess . The lodge having been duly opened , ancl the minutes of the last meeting read and confirmed , The M . W . G . M . rose to bring under tbe consideration of the brethren tbe statement of which be had given notice relative to

TEE GEAINT ) XODG-E OS MAINE . His LOEDSHIP said;—Brethren , in rising to bring under your notice the correspondence which has taken place between myself and the Grand Lodge of Maine , I Avould observe that , if any brother wishes to bave the correspondence read at length , ifc shall be clone . It has , however , lain in the Grand Secretary ' s office for some clays for the inspection of the brethren ; ancl I may observe that its reading will occupy something like an hour and a quarter .

( Laughter . ) I have carefully prepared an epitome of the correspondence , to lay correctly before you the whole case , so as to enable every brother to form his own judgment upon tbe subject . Great pains bave been taken to make that statement as complete as possible , so that I might not leave out any point of importance in the question at issue ; ancl should no brother desire the correspondence to be read , I ivill at once proceed to make my statement . ( Hear hear . ) Although the correspondence on this subject is

lengthy , the gist of it lies in a very small compass . In October , 1 S 57 , I received a communication from Bro . Dunlap , G . M . of the Grand Lodge of Maine , complaining that the Union Lodge at St . Stephen's , New Brunswick—which holds its warrant under the Grand Lodge of England—had initiated individuals whose residence ivas on the American side of the boundary , and that they had thereby violated the privileges and invaded the jurisdiction of the St . Croix Lodat Calaisivhich privileges were conferred upon

ge , that lodge by special enactment of the Grand Lodge of Maine . Bro . Dunlap further informed me that the proceeding complained of was in violation also of a private agreement entered into between the two lodges in question . I acknowledged his letter , promised inquiry , ancl directed that an investigation should be made forthwith . No reply was received from the Union Lodge for several months . Immediately upon its receipt I directed a letter to be

written to tbe Grand Master of Maine . As that letter briefly embraces my view of the whole case , I shall now read ifc to you . Freemasons' Hall , Zondon , July , 1858 . M . W . SIE AND BEOTHEE , —I have the honour to inform you that , in obedience to the commands of tbe M . W . Grand Master , the Earl of Zetland , and in conformity with the tenour of my letter of the 11 th December 1857 an inquiry bas been instituted into the

, , circumstances £ hafc have caused a temporary misunderstanding between the St : Croix Lodge at Calais , in the State of Maine , and the Union Lodge , A o . 866 , at St . Stephen ' s , New Brunswick . Tho case-divides itself into two parts—First as to , the right of a lodge to initiate persons residing in a country under another Masonic

jurisdiction ; and secondly , what course of action a lodge ought to pursue which has , by its own act , divested itself of such right . With respect to the jfirst part , the M . W . Grand Master is of opinion that every lodge possesses the abstract right to initiate any person whom it may consider fit and proper , without considering where his residence may be . For example—Lodges in tbe county of Northumberland have an undoubted right to initiate persons residing in Scotlandand lod in Scotland have a sunilar right to

, ges initiate persons residing in England . Nor can the Grand Lodge of either country complain of , or object to such a proceeding . It is for the person who seeks admittance into the order to select the lodge in which he wishes to be initiated . With regard to the second part of the question , as to the course a lodge ought to pursue that lias by its own act divested itself of such rightand has bound itself not initiate individual residing iu the

, any territory under another Masonic jurisdiction , such arrangementnot being at variance with the spirit of the constitutions under which they act—ought to be carried out faithfully ; even though attended at times with some slight inconvenience . But independently of any existing arrangements , the M . W . Grand Master is of opinion that it is not desirable nor convenient that a lodge should bind itself to confine its initiations to residents initiate

in its own immediate locality ; or that it should only persons residing over a certain territorial boundary line with the consent of a lodge working on the other side of such line , even with the proviso—as proposed by Union Lodge—that sufficient reasons should be given for withholding such consent . And it must be self evident , that when one lodge gives the reasons , and the other is to be the judge ivhether those reasons are sufficient , frequent

difficulties and disputes are sure to arise . In conclusion , I have only to remark , that the opinion of the M . W . Grand Master bas been communicated to the Union Lodge , and that ifc has been impressed on them , that private arrangements once entered upon should be strictly and honourably fulfilled . Trusting therefore that the misunderstanding between the two lodges will soon be removed , and that each will hold out the right hand of good fellowship to the otherand practise in their fullest

, extent brotherly love and forbearance , I have the honour to be , M . W . Sir and Brother , fraternally yours , War . GKAT CIAEK , G . S . ROBEET P . DUNXAP , Esq ., M . W . Grand 3 Iaster of the Grand Lodge of Maine , Brunswick , Me .

I believe that the decision ivhich I here gave is in strict conformity with our laws and practice . In August , 1859 , 1 received a reply from Bro . Hiram Chase , tbe new Grand Master of Maine , taking exceptions to my view , sending me a report of a Committee of the Grand Lodge of Maine upon the subject , ancl requesting that , upon a review of the ease , I would require all lodges to abstain from the act complained of . Iu the same month I replied to that letter , reiterating inionancl stating that I did not possess the

my op , power , nor did I think it desirable that I should possess it , of dic- ^ fating to subordinate lodges any rule as to the place of residence of those whom they shall initiate into Masonry . In October of this year I received this letter from Bro . Drummoucl , now Grand Master of Maine , ivhich , together with all the other papers , I have directed to be laid before you . Ifc appears from a careful perusal of these that the " Grand Lodge of Maine no longer presses the

papers violation of a private agreement said to have been entered into hy the two lodges in question , nor does it insist upon their conduct being a breach of the regulations said to have been agreed to at an universal Masonic Congress , as it had done in the earlier part of the correspondence—but its comp laint is founded upon ivhat is termed " an invasion of its territorial jurisdiction "—and that is really tho only subject which we shall have to consider . I must here remark licable

that in the correspondence it is stated that laws which are app to the Grand Lodges of England , Ireland , and Scotland , are not suitable to the Grand Lodges in the United States . I must draw your attention to a charge made against me of unnecessary delay . 1 must point out to you that the positions I have advanced are declared to be inconclusive and untenable , and , that , lastly I am told that " my expressed opinion " is incompetent to settle the matter , which is

and that it is the opinion and action of my Grand Lodge required . I Avill dispose of these matters first before I address you on the main question . I would beg Grand Lodge to observe that in all communications until that of October last my opinion and my action have alone been asked . I have given that opinion to the best of my ability , and I have the most confident impression that it is in which I shall hav entire concurrence . My opinion

one e your being adverse to that put forward by the Grand Lodge of Maine , I am told that it is incompetent to settle the question . I need not say how cheerfully I submit the matter to your judgment . As regards the question ol delay , I can only say that the correspondence itself sufficiently proves that charge to be unreasonable and unjust ; and I may refer to the fact that in two instances a delay of

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