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The South Metropolitan Masonic Hall, Company Limited.

might also state , that it was in contemplation to erect a hall for East London , and if they did , to proceed at onco with tho building , a groat deal of the support which they would receive ivould bo diverted to the eastern districts . It occurred to him , that if they selected a site nearer to London Bridge thoy would secure for the building a very large amount of additional support , but the great point to be observed , was to proceed with the undertaking , wherever the sito was obtained , without any unnecessary

delay , and if tho meeting were adjourned , ho hoped they would bo called together again in a week or ten days , or at all events before Christmas , so that they might be able to come to a decision with respect to tho site , and allow the necessary arrangement to bo made , to commence tho building with tho opening of tho spring . Bro . AA ' AED moved a resolution to the effect that the report of the Directors be referred back to them for reconsideration .

Neither of the sites which had been brought before the meeting was eligible for the purpose for which it was required , that in Newington Butts being too small , and that in Camberwell JNew-road being too far away . Bro . OEIEE seconded the motion . The SECRETARY thought it right to mention that Bro . Thomas , who had made a survey of the piece of ground in

Newing Butts , had written to him to apologise for not being able to attend the meeting , and concluded by expressing a hope that that site would he adopted . Bro . GREEN : It is not large enough for the purpose for which ive require it . Bro . AVARD : You are quite right , sir . The motion that the report be referred back to the Directors was then agreed to . Bro . SMITH said the next point to he considered , was the best way to carry out the object which they had in view . He

believed that useful as advertising might he in bringing a matter before the public , it was not the best plan that could be adopted in dealing with a question of this kind . He would suggest that a committee of the Board , to consist of practical men , well acquainted with the value of property , be appointed to go and matte inquiries in the district for a site such as was required . As he had already said , lie did not think there would be much difficulty in finding a suitable lace at the back of a street in

p some central position . He did not agree with Bro , Stevens that it was necessary that they should have a handsome frontage . He believed that if they had a respectable entrance , even through an archway , it would not in the slightest degree affect the establishment , or prevent any persons from going there . THE CHAIRMAN : It would be of great assistance to the directors if brethren who were acquainted with property in this

district , ivould make inquiries as to a site , and it they found a place likely to answer our purposes , to communicate with the Secretary , who would immediately call a meeting and submit it / or approval , I fully agree with Bro . Smith , that we are more likely to get a site by making inquires personally in the district , than if we published fifty advertisements . I am also disposed to agree with him that it is not

advisable that we should pay a large amount for the sake of frontage . If we have only a doorway it ivould be quite sufficient in front , provided we have ample room behind . It is good accommodation we want , not ornament , a desire for which has brought ruin on many undertakings , Bro . LEVANDER said lie and Bro . AA'orthington had spent a great portion of a day ou going through Newington looking for

a site , and they had called upon several agents , but they had been able to get no information that proved of any service to them . They had heard of no sites save those which had been broucrlifc before the meetinc ..

Bro . STEVENS said tltat if the question were referred back to the directors without specific instructions , it would bo allowed to remain in its present position . Bro . GREEN : We have already agreed - . hat it is to be referred back . Bro . STEVENS said he was afraid unless the directors received instructions to do something specifically , nothing would be done in the matterand the project would be allowed to fall to the

, ground . It was not the first time that a project of this kind was started , hut every attempt had failed , and ' as one who felt a deep interest in the success of the undertaking he was anxious that it should not be allowed to fall through again . He therefore begged to suggest that something definite should be agreed upon with regaul to what was to be done towards currying out the objects they had in view . He would

The South Metropolitan Masonic Hall, Company Limited.

he g lad to form one of a committee with Bros . AA'ard , Dresser , and Rodgers in the borough to go through the district in search of a site . The CHAIRMAN : I think tiie suggestion of Bro . Stevens is a very practical one . It puts the suggestion of Bro . Smith into practical shape , and 1 think it is the best thing that could be done under the circumstances . Bro . WARD said he should decline to act on the committee .

He was satisfied that no site could be found in the parish with which he was connected . Bro . SMITH said that so far as building-land was concerned he believed Bro . AVard was quite correct , but then inquiries should also be directed to house property , which would be equally suitable . Bro . LEVANDER said that as the question had been referred

hack to the directors it would be better to leave the matter in their hands , and he had no doubt that they would take all the steps that were necessary to bring about a realisation of the project . It was then agreed that the matter should be left with the Directors to deal with . BroSMITH said he fullendorsed the opinion of Bro . Stevens

. y that no time should be lost in the matter , and he trusted that if an eligible site were found they ivould he . called together ivithout delay , in order that it might he adopted , and the necessary steps taken to carry out the undertaking . The CICAIBMAN said that while he agreed with the opinions which had been expressed with regard to the importance of the proceeding with the undertaking with every possible

exdition , he believed , nevertheless , that it would he better to ait for three months than to erect a building upon a site not suitable , and that mig ht be a cause of regret at some future period . Au announcement was made by Mr . SMITH that as soon as a site was found he had instructions to take ten or fifteen shares in the company . On tho motion of Bro . II . Smith , seconded by Bro . Oswin , a vote of thanks was passed to the chairman , and was cordially acknowledged by that gentlemen , and the brethren dispersed .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

THE HIGH GRADES , < SC . " Will some -well-informed brother kindly , through the medium of the pages of the FREEMASONS ' MAGAZINE , give me replies to the following queries ? 1 . Is ahrother who is made Chev . K . D . S . Ecossais 30 ° in a conclave in France entitled to be admitted

in an encampment of Knights Templar held under the Grand Conclave of England and "Wales ? 2 . Can a brother wear the jewels of all the degrees he has taken in a properly constituted lodge , chapter and conclave , in a Craft lodge , or can the "W . M . oblige such brother to wear only tbe jewels of the

degrees recognised by the United Grand Lodge of England ? 3 . Is a brother who has taken the 30 ° , hut never occupied the Master ' s chair in a blue lodge , entitled to sit in the east in a lodge under the English and Irish Constitutionsthe same as is the custom in

, Italian and French lodges when of that degree ? I . If the son of a Master 3 fason wishes to join the Order under the English or Irish Constitution , is there no allowance made instead of having to pay the full fee ? In the Italian lodges , I believe , they have only to pay one-third of the fee . —INQUIRER .

BURNING THE APRON . In Bro . Hughan ' s very interesting "History of Freemasonry in Cornwall , " now appearing in the FBEEMASONS' MAGAZINE , it is recorded in the

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HISTORY OF FREEMASONRY IN CORNWALL. Article 1
A SKETCH OF THE PHILOSOPHY, TRADITIONS, AND RECORDS OF THE MASONIC ORDER OF THE RED * OR KNIGHTS OF CONSTANTINE, AT PRESENT UNDER THE COMMAND OF LORD KENLIS, M. ILL. G. SOV. Article 2
AUXILIARIES TO OUR GREAT MASONIC CHARITIES. Article 3
CENTENARY FESTIVAL OF LODGE ST. MARK, No. 102 (S. C), GLASGOW. Article 4
THE NEMESIS: A TALE OF THE DAYS OF TRAJAN. Article 8
THE SOUTH METROPOLITAN MASONIC HALL, COMPANY LIMITED. Article 10
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 12
Untitled Article 13
MASONIC MEMS. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
ROYAL ARCH. Article 16
IRELAND. Article 16
ISLE OF MAN. Article 16
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 16
Obituary. Article 17
REVIEWS. Article 17
Poetry. Article 17
MEETINGS OF THE SCIENTIFIC AND LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING DEC. 8TH, 1866. Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The South Metropolitan Masonic Hall, Company Limited.

might also state , that it was in contemplation to erect a hall for East London , and if they did , to proceed at onco with tho building , a groat deal of the support which they would receive ivould bo diverted to the eastern districts . It occurred to him , that if they selected a site nearer to London Bridge thoy would secure for the building a very large amount of additional support , but the great point to be observed , was to proceed with the undertaking , wherever the sito was obtained , without any unnecessary

delay , and if tho meeting were adjourned , ho hoped they would bo called together again in a week or ten days , or at all events before Christmas , so that they might be able to come to a decision with respect to tho site , and allow the necessary arrangement to bo made , to commence tho building with tho opening of tho spring . Bro . AA ' AED moved a resolution to the effect that the report of the Directors be referred back to them for reconsideration .

Neither of the sites which had been brought before the meeting was eligible for the purpose for which it was required , that in Newington Butts being too small , and that in Camberwell JNew-road being too far away . Bro . OEIEE seconded the motion . The SECRETARY thought it right to mention that Bro . Thomas , who had made a survey of the piece of ground in

Newing Butts , had written to him to apologise for not being able to attend the meeting , and concluded by expressing a hope that that site would he adopted . Bro . GREEN : It is not large enough for the purpose for which ive require it . Bro . AVARD : You are quite right , sir . The motion that the report be referred back to the Directors was then agreed to . Bro . SMITH said the next point to he considered , was the best way to carry out the object which they had in view . He

believed that useful as advertising might he in bringing a matter before the public , it was not the best plan that could be adopted in dealing with a question of this kind . He would suggest that a committee of the Board , to consist of practical men , well acquainted with the value of property , be appointed to go and matte inquiries in the district for a site such as was required . As he had already said , lie did not think there would be much difficulty in finding a suitable lace at the back of a street in

p some central position . He did not agree with Bro , Stevens that it was necessary that they should have a handsome frontage . He believed that if they had a respectable entrance , even through an archway , it would not in the slightest degree affect the establishment , or prevent any persons from going there . THE CHAIRMAN : It would be of great assistance to the directors if brethren who were acquainted with property in this

district , ivould make inquiries as to a site , and it they found a place likely to answer our purposes , to communicate with the Secretary , who would immediately call a meeting and submit it / or approval , I fully agree with Bro . Smith , that we are more likely to get a site by making inquires personally in the district , than if we published fifty advertisements . I am also disposed to agree with him that it is not

advisable that we should pay a large amount for the sake of frontage . If we have only a doorway it ivould be quite sufficient in front , provided we have ample room behind . It is good accommodation we want , not ornament , a desire for which has brought ruin on many undertakings , Bro . LEVANDER said lie and Bro . AA'orthington had spent a great portion of a day ou going through Newington looking for

a site , and they had called upon several agents , but they had been able to get no information that proved of any service to them . They had heard of no sites save those which had been broucrlifc before the meetinc ..

Bro . STEVENS said tltat if the question were referred back to the directors without specific instructions , it would bo allowed to remain in its present position . Bro . GREEN : We have already agreed - . hat it is to be referred back . Bro . STEVENS said he was afraid unless the directors received instructions to do something specifically , nothing would be done in the matterand the project would be allowed to fall to the

, ground . It was not the first time that a project of this kind was started , hut every attempt had failed , and ' as one who felt a deep interest in the success of the undertaking he was anxious that it should not be allowed to fall through again . He therefore begged to suggest that something definite should be agreed upon with regaul to what was to be done towards currying out the objects they had in view . He would

The South Metropolitan Masonic Hall, Company Limited.

he g lad to form one of a committee with Bros . AA'ard , Dresser , and Rodgers in the borough to go through the district in search of a site . The CHAIRMAN : I think tiie suggestion of Bro . Stevens is a very practical one . It puts the suggestion of Bro . Smith into practical shape , and 1 think it is the best thing that could be done under the circumstances . Bro . WARD said he should decline to act on the committee .

He was satisfied that no site could be found in the parish with which he was connected . Bro . SMITH said that so far as building-land was concerned he believed Bro . AVard was quite correct , but then inquiries should also be directed to house property , which would be equally suitable . Bro . LEVANDER said that as the question had been referred

hack to the directors it would be better to leave the matter in their hands , and he had no doubt that they would take all the steps that were necessary to bring about a realisation of the project . It was then agreed that the matter should be left with the Directors to deal with . BroSMITH said he fullendorsed the opinion of Bro . Stevens

. y that no time should be lost in the matter , and he trusted that if an eligible site were found they ivould he . called together ivithout delay , in order that it might he adopted , and the necessary steps taken to carry out the undertaking . The CICAIBMAN said that while he agreed with the opinions which had been expressed with regard to the importance of the proceeding with the undertaking with every possible

exdition , he believed , nevertheless , that it would he better to ait for three months than to erect a building upon a site not suitable , and that mig ht be a cause of regret at some future period . Au announcement was made by Mr . SMITH that as soon as a site was found he had instructions to take ten or fifteen shares in the company . On tho motion of Bro . II . Smith , seconded by Bro . Oswin , a vote of thanks was passed to the chairman , and was cordially acknowledged by that gentlemen , and the brethren dispersed .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

THE HIGH GRADES , < SC . " Will some -well-informed brother kindly , through the medium of the pages of the FREEMASONS ' MAGAZINE , give me replies to the following queries ? 1 . Is ahrother who is made Chev . K . D . S . Ecossais 30 ° in a conclave in France entitled to be admitted

in an encampment of Knights Templar held under the Grand Conclave of England and "Wales ? 2 . Can a brother wear the jewels of all the degrees he has taken in a properly constituted lodge , chapter and conclave , in a Craft lodge , or can the "W . M . oblige such brother to wear only tbe jewels of the

degrees recognised by the United Grand Lodge of England ? 3 . Is a brother who has taken the 30 ° , hut never occupied the Master ' s chair in a blue lodge , entitled to sit in the east in a lodge under the English and Irish Constitutionsthe same as is the custom in

, Italian and French lodges when of that degree ? I . If the son of a Master 3 fason wishes to join the Order under the English or Irish Constitution , is there no allowance made instead of having to pay the full fee ? In the Italian lodges , I believe , they have only to pay one-third of the fee . —INQUIRER .

BURNING THE APRON . In Bro . Hughan ' s very interesting "History of Freemasonry in Cornwall , " now appearing in the FBEEMASONS' MAGAZINE , it is recorded in the

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