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The Masonic Mirror.

referred to the " Book of Constitutions , " and it said that the "Book of Constitutions" did not sanction ifc . He was desirous that the time should come when Grand Loclge should discuss the question on it oivn merits , for ifc was a degree that was recognised in different parts of the world , and if the Grand Lodge of England recognised it , although by so doing it might offend a few persons , it would add largely to the funds of Freemasonry . He

found that the Grand Chapter of Scotland issued commissions , and if those brethren ivere allowed to be exalted in the Grand Chapter of England , then tho whole thing was done . With regard to what the " Book of Constitutions" said , that ivas compiled many years ago , and at various times it had been hacked about in a most lamentable manner ; and as regards

the adoption of the Mark Degree , the report of a committee -which recommended its adoption by the Grand Lodge was adopted by about ; two-thirds , but by a principle which was better understood in Grand Lodge than anywhere else , the ¦ minutes were nofc confirmed . He contended that the question -was not advanced or thrown back by that discussion , ancl he

' ( Bro . Stebbing ) did not wish ifc to be raised that night , but when it was raised , ho hoped it would bo by the Mark Masters of England , and not by tbe Grand Chapter of Scotland . Bro . HAA'EES said it required something for a man to address his fellow men when ho wanted to say something aud had got something to say , but it was fur more difficult when ho had

nothing to say ; and yet was able to make a capital speech , . which was what Bro . Stebbing had done that night . ( Bro . Stebbing : I am very much obliged to you . ) Ho ( Bro . Havers ) ivas in hopes that he would have raised the question that night , but he had not clone so , although he hacl told them one or two points he had taken from his stand-point of view . Bro . Stebbing looked at those things from one point of view , when

lie told them , in so many words , that if the Grand Chapter of . Scotland received a courteous answer to their communications then they ivould recognise that body , but that was a statement which he did not think Grand Lodge was disposed to admit . Bro . Stebbing said they wished to get rid of the subject , but he ¦ ( Bro . Havers ) saicl they were always prepared to discuss it , and by the discussion of it to maintain the pure principles of

Freemasonry . He had told tbem that Grand Loclge had appointed a committee to consider this subject , ancl that their report met AA'ith a general approval ; but by some strange means , better understood in Grand Lodge than anywhere else , the minutes Avere not confirmed . The Grand Lodge received the report of the committee , bufc they reported that they wore not

prepared to say that the Mark Degree formed an essential part of Freemasonry . At the time this report was presented , he ( Bro . Havers ) was confined to his bed with a fever , hut on his moving thafc the minutes be not confirmed , the Grand Master withdrew his approval of the report of the committee , and the non-confirmation of the minutes was carried by a large majority .

As to what was called Christian Freemasonry , whether it was the Grand Conclave of Knights Templar or the high order of ¦ the Rose Croix , if any communication was sent he thought it should be received with all courtesy ; and as regarded the Knights Templar , as the Duke of Sussex was Grand Master of that Order , he thought that they , as Masons , should wish them

God speed , ancl that any communications from them should be received in the most courteous spirit . He hoped , however , that this discussion in Grand Lodge would not revive a feud which existed many years ago , hut which now . , happily , had died out . AVhile on this subject he might be permitted to refer to their old friend Preston , who , iu his " Illustrations of Masonry , " written more than half a century ago , had said that which was ust as applicable to the present time . The worthy brother

then read a passage from Preston in which it spoke of enthusiastic Masons endeavouring to amplify their present S 3 'stem or to go in search of new degrees ; hut while adhering to tlie pure original forms of Freemasonry , he saicl he saw no harm in their being allowed to indulge themselves in innocent amnsuments . There never were truer words ever written , ancl ho saw no reason why they should interfere with brethren if they chose to

play at being Grand Masters ; hut let them clo it inoffensively and they would never complain . While they did this he thought they ought nofc to come to them ancl ask them to erase the first page of the "Book of Constitutions" on Freemasonry , for iu it was found a chain ivhich would preserve them for all time unchanged and unchangeable . ( Cheers . )

Bro . BINCKES hoped that the consideration of this question , whether the Mark Degree was recognised or unrecognised , would have gone on without his taking part in ifc , and that nothing would have induced him to break through the rule , which four years ago , he had laid clown ; bufc after the observations of Bro . Havers , he thought he should be unworthy of the position he held , did ho not bring back Grand Loclge to the

subject which had been forced upon him by the remarks of Bro . Havers . Two questions , distinct and categorical , had been put to them , ancl with the replies proposed by the Grand Registrar to be given to them—aud he looked upon his resolution as a very proper one—lie thought the discussion should have been closed . Bro . Havers had said that Avhen tlie committee brought

up their report , they saicl that they did not consider tho Mark Degree to be an essential part of Freemasonry , but they added that they thought it would be a graceful appendage to tho second degree . With reference to the passage from Preston , that could not possibly refer fco the Mark Degree , for that had been practised in the land before over Preston

was born or thought of , and , therefore , he could not have had the Mark Degree in his mind ivhen he penned ( hose remarks to which Bro . Havers had referred , ferrecl . In other parts the Mark Degree was considered to be an essential part of Freemasonry , and there might be in the colonies lodges acting under the Grand Lodge of Scotland or Ireland who wished to have the Mark Degree ; but the Grand

Lodge of Mark Masters never wished to place it in antagonism with the Grand Loclge of England , and in every way they hedged themselves round in the issue of any now warrant that no course should bo taken antagonistic to the Grand Lodge , or subversive of its rules and regulations ; but on the contrary they impressed on every Mark Master a revered sense of the

obligations that were due to the Grand Loclge of England . He had made these observations conscientiously , for he believed if he had not clone so he should have been guilty of a gross dereliction of his duty . After a few words from Bro . STEBBING , the resolution of the Grand Registrar Avas put and curried .

PROPOSED MASONIC INSTITUTION IN VICTORIA . The G . SECRETARY road a copy of a report made by a special Charitable Institutions' Committee to the Provincial Grand Lodge of Victoria , with respect to the proposed formation of a local Masonic Asyum for Aged Decayed Freemasons and their Widows , a Girls' School and a Boys' School for Orphan Children , and those of Decayed Freemasons , as nearly similar as

circumstances will permit to those established under tho sanction of the United Grand Loclge of England ; and a resolution passed thereon soliciting the Grand Lodge to support the objects sought to be obtained by a donation towards its funds . The G . REGISTRAR said these communications had been deposited with the Grand Secretary , and for some days the lire-

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GRAND LODGE. Article 1
MASONIC DUTIES. Article 2
Untitled Article 4
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 4
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 6
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 7
METROPOLITAN. Article 11
PROVINCIAL. Article 11
ROYAL ARCH. Article 14
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 14
Obituary. Article 15
BRO. LE GENDRE N. STARKIE, Article 15
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 17
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Masonic Mirror.

referred to the " Book of Constitutions , " and it said that the "Book of Constitutions" did not sanction ifc . He was desirous that the time should come when Grand Loclge should discuss the question on it oivn merits , for ifc was a degree that was recognised in different parts of the world , and if the Grand Lodge of England recognised it , although by so doing it might offend a few persons , it would add largely to the funds of Freemasonry . He

found that the Grand Chapter of Scotland issued commissions , and if those brethren ivere allowed to be exalted in the Grand Chapter of England , then tho whole thing was done . With regard to what the " Book of Constitutions" said , that ivas compiled many years ago , and at various times it had been hacked about in a most lamentable manner ; and as regards

the adoption of the Mark Degree , the report of a committee -which recommended its adoption by the Grand Lodge was adopted by about ; two-thirds , but by a principle which was better understood in Grand Lodge than anywhere else , the ¦ minutes were nofc confirmed . He contended that the question -was not advanced or thrown back by that discussion , ancl he

' ( Bro . Stebbing ) did not wish ifc to be raised that night , but when it was raised , ho hoped it would bo by the Mark Masters of England , and not by tbe Grand Chapter of Scotland . Bro . HAA'EES said it required something for a man to address his fellow men when ho wanted to say something aud had got something to say , but it was fur more difficult when ho had

nothing to say ; and yet was able to make a capital speech , . which was what Bro . Stebbing had done that night . ( Bro . Stebbing : I am very much obliged to you . ) Ho ( Bro . Havers ) ivas in hopes that he would have raised the question that night , but he had not clone so , although he hacl told them one or two points he had taken from his stand-point of view . Bro . Stebbing looked at those things from one point of view , when

lie told them , in so many words , that if the Grand Chapter of . Scotland received a courteous answer to their communications then they ivould recognise that body , but that was a statement which he did not think Grand Lodge was disposed to admit . Bro . Stebbing said they wished to get rid of the subject , but he ¦ ( Bro . Havers ) saicl they were always prepared to discuss it , and by the discussion of it to maintain the pure principles of

Freemasonry . He had told tbem that Grand Loclge had appointed a committee to consider this subject , ancl that their report met AA'ith a general approval ; but by some strange means , better understood in Grand Lodge than anywhere else , the minutes Avere not confirmed . The Grand Lodge received the report of the committee , bufc they reported that they wore not

prepared to say that the Mark Degree formed an essential part of Freemasonry . At the time this report was presented , he ( Bro . Havers ) was confined to his bed with a fever , hut on his moving thafc the minutes be not confirmed , the Grand Master withdrew his approval of the report of the committee , and the non-confirmation of the minutes was carried by a large majority .

As to what was called Christian Freemasonry , whether it was the Grand Conclave of Knights Templar or the high order of ¦ the Rose Croix , if any communication was sent he thought it should be received with all courtesy ; and as regarded the Knights Templar , as the Duke of Sussex was Grand Master of that Order , he thought that they , as Masons , should wish them

God speed , ancl that any communications from them should be received in the most courteous spirit . He hoped , however , that this discussion in Grand Lodge would not revive a feud which existed many years ago , hut which now . , happily , had died out . AVhile on this subject he might be permitted to refer to their old friend Preston , who , iu his " Illustrations of Masonry , " written more than half a century ago , had said that which was ust as applicable to the present time . The worthy brother

then read a passage from Preston in which it spoke of enthusiastic Masons endeavouring to amplify their present S 3 'stem or to go in search of new degrees ; hut while adhering to tlie pure original forms of Freemasonry , he saicl he saw no harm in their being allowed to indulge themselves in innocent amnsuments . There never were truer words ever written , ancl ho saw no reason why they should interfere with brethren if they chose to

play at being Grand Masters ; hut let them clo it inoffensively and they would never complain . While they did this he thought they ought nofc to come to them ancl ask them to erase the first page of the "Book of Constitutions" on Freemasonry , for iu it was found a chain ivhich would preserve them for all time unchanged and unchangeable . ( Cheers . )

Bro . BINCKES hoped that the consideration of this question , whether the Mark Degree was recognised or unrecognised , would have gone on without his taking part in ifc , and that nothing would have induced him to break through the rule , which four years ago , he had laid clown ; bufc after the observations of Bro . Havers , he thought he should be unworthy of the position he held , did ho not bring back Grand Loclge to the

subject which had been forced upon him by the remarks of Bro . Havers . Two questions , distinct and categorical , had been put to them , ancl with the replies proposed by the Grand Registrar to be given to them—aud he looked upon his resolution as a very proper one—lie thought the discussion should have been closed . Bro . Havers had said that Avhen tlie committee brought

up their report , they saicl that they did not consider tho Mark Degree to be an essential part of Freemasonry , but they added that they thought it would be a graceful appendage to tho second degree . With reference to the passage from Preston , that could not possibly refer fco the Mark Degree , for that had been practised in the land before over Preston

was born or thought of , and , therefore , he could not have had the Mark Degree in his mind ivhen he penned ( hose remarks to which Bro . Havers had referred , ferrecl . In other parts the Mark Degree was considered to be an essential part of Freemasonry , and there might be in the colonies lodges acting under the Grand Lodge of Scotland or Ireland who wished to have the Mark Degree ; but the Grand

Lodge of Mark Masters never wished to place it in antagonism with the Grand Loclge of England , and in every way they hedged themselves round in the issue of any now warrant that no course should bo taken antagonistic to the Grand Lodge , or subversive of its rules and regulations ; but on the contrary they impressed on every Mark Master a revered sense of the

obligations that were due to the Grand Loclge of England . He had made these observations conscientiously , for he believed if he had not clone so he should have been guilty of a gross dereliction of his duty . After a few words from Bro . STEBBING , the resolution of the Grand Registrar Avas put and curried .

PROPOSED MASONIC INSTITUTION IN VICTORIA . The G . SECRETARY road a copy of a report made by a special Charitable Institutions' Committee to the Provincial Grand Lodge of Victoria , with respect to the proposed formation of a local Masonic Asyum for Aged Decayed Freemasons and their Widows , a Girls' School and a Boys' School for Orphan Children , and those of Decayed Freemasons , as nearly similar as

circumstances will permit to those established under tho sanction of the United Grand Loclge of England ; and a resolution passed thereon soliciting the Grand Lodge to support the objects sought to be obtained by a donation towards its funds . The G . REGISTRAR said these communications had been deposited with the Grand Secretary , and for some days the lire-

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