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    Article THE THREATENED SECESSION EBOM THE SUPREME GBANDBOYAL AECH CHAPTER OE SCOTLAND.—No. II. ← Page 3 of 3
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The Threatened Secession Ebom The Supreme Gbandboyal Aech Chapter Oe Scotland.—No. Ii.

panion Lyon had become a too prominent and influential member of the Craft , and stood in the way oi Ayrshire being treated as a mere apanage of Glasgow , accounts for the existence of a strong desire on the part of the late Prov . Grancl Chapter that he should heremoved out of the way or rendered harmless by

beingma-• sonically degraded ; local jealousy on the part of some ¦ upon whose corns he had , in the discharge of his duties , as an important official in lodge and chapter , unceremoniously trod , had also something to do with the proposal to suspend Bro . Lyon ; whilst the blunt but effective style in which Comp . Good was accustomed

to expose to ridicule the Masonic quackery which , in "too many instances , have been attempted to be palmed upon the Craft by itinerant brethren , coupled with the energy which he has ever displayed in the conduct of Masonic matters in the town of Ayr , have combined to render Bro . Good ' s presence disagreeable to those keeping their own aggrandisement in view ,

-rather than the harmony and well-being of the order ; hence the desire for his degradation . With regard to the threatened secession , we have little to report . Thanks to the publication in the MAGAZINE of the real facts last week , the difficulties which beset the path of the seeeders in their attempted organisation of a

new Grand Chapter appear more apparent , and the contemplation of which seems to have had an evident tendency to cool the ardour of the misguided Companions , who have suffered themselves , thus far , to be nose-led by the few interested parties at the head of

the secession movement ; and we hope to be able , in our next MAGAZINE , to state that they have returned to their allegiance to the Supreme Grancl Chapter . It is right that we should mention that Dr . Arnott was not present at the meeting which took place in the

Crow Hotel , Glasgow , on the Sth inst ., and consequently cannot be held to be a leader in the insane Masonic movement of which Glasgow is at present the scene .

The Supreme Grand Council Of France And Marshal Magnan.

THE SUPREME GRAND COUNCIL OF FRANCE AND MARSHAL MAGNAN .

( Continued from page 22 J Resuming our narrative , we proceed to show what effect the manifesto of Marshal Magnan has had upon the Supreme Grand Council . The central Grand Lodge of the Ancient and Accepted Rite Ecossais , held a meeting under the

presidency of Bro . Guiffrey , its Master , ad vitam , for the purpose of guarding the ri ghts and privileges of the brethren ancl lodges , holding under the Supreme Grand Council . This meeting was numerously attended ; the various lodges of the rite having made it their duty to attend the call of their Masonic eriors

sup , ancl , to evince their sympathy , certain brethren holding under the Grand Orient were in attendance . After the loel ge had been opened , Bro . G-enevay , orator of the Grand Lodge Ecossais , was requested by the

The Supreme Grand Council Of France And Marshal Magnan.

Worshipful Master , to read Bro . A lennet ' s reply to Marshal Magnan ' s circular , which - answer of Bro . A iennet , thirty-third degree , acquired more than ordinary force and significance , from the fact of its being endorsed by the whole of the lodges ranging under the authority of the Supreme Grand Council . There were some two hundred members present

, who , when the Grand Orator , Bro . Genevay , rose to obey the commands of the AV orshipful Master , were hushed into profound silence . AVe shall not present our readers with the ipsissima verba of the document in question , but offer such remarks on it as appear to be in accordance ivith its spirit , ancl afford them a

right understanding of the case in all its bearings . The Most Puisant Sovereign Grand Commander commenced by deploring the necessity of defending the Bite Ecossais against the encroachments of a powerful man , who relying on an Imperial decree , badly construedwished to establish his authority of

, Grand Master , over the rite of the Supreme Grand Council , no mention or allusion to that rite having appeared in the edict in question . It was his duty to protect the interests and safety of the rite , as well as to enlighten the Emperor , the Minister of the Interior , ancl public opinion on the nature of the unjust

persecution of which they were the object . He drew a comparison between the supposed acts of an Archbishop , who , the day after his enthronisation , should compel all the ministers of the various reli gious sects to conform ancl assist him , at mass , in his cathedral . Such was the parallel ease to theirs , ancl Marshal Magnan had played a similar part .

After a rapid analysis of the principal facts relative to the history of the Masonic Order in France , and of the differences whieh existed since 1772 , between the central Grand Lodge Ecossais , and the Grancl Orient , as well as between the Supreme Grand Council ancl Grancl Orient , Bro . Alennet

traced the same to the conference of 1841 . which latter took place at the proposal of the Grand Orient , when the Due de Choiseul , M . P . Sov . G . Com ., accepted the negotiation , and named as his representatives the Duke Decazes , General de Fernig , Messrs . Guiffrej' -, Phillippe , Dupin , and

A ^ iennet . After various negotiatons , Bro . Viennet , in concert with Bro . Bouilly , representative of the Grancl Master of the Grand Orient , were authorised to draw up articles for a treaty of union . The personal friendship of the negotiators rendered their task easy , and they naturally made the agreement of 180-i the basis of their scheme , which comprised the

independence of both rites—the administration of the inferior grades by the Grancl Orient—ancl authority over the high grades by the Supreme Grand Council . The exchequer of both rites was merged in a common fund , but the accounts ancl orders were signed and controlled by their respective authorities , each one

within its proper limits . On the part of the Grand Orient it was not desired to render this union one of absorption , but they offered to admit those holding under the Supreme Grand Council , en masse , amongst the Grand Officers , and to take the Duke Decazes as Grancl Master . But there were certain points

ivhich , as sole heirs and represeutatives of ancient Masonry , coulcl not be surrendered by the Supreme Grand Council , for the latter felt that if they had uot been recognised as the depository of such , the

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THE THREATENED SECESSION EBOM THE SUPREME GBANDBOYAL AECH CHAPTER OE SCOTLAND.—No. II. Article 3
THE SUPREME GRAND COUNCIL OF FRANCE AND MARSHAL MAGNAN. Article 5
KABBALISM , SECRET SOCIETIES , AND MASONRY. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 9
NOTES ON LITERATURE, SCIENCE, AND ART. Article 10
THE MAGAZINE IN A NEW CHARACTER. Article 11
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
SUDDEN DEATH. Article 11
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 12
MASONIC MEMS. Article 12
METROPOLITAN. Article 12
PROVINCIAL. Article 12
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 17
NOTES ON MUSIC AND THE DRAMA. Article 17
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 17
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Threatened Secession Ebom The Supreme Gbandboyal Aech Chapter Oe Scotland.—No. Ii.

panion Lyon had become a too prominent and influential member of the Craft , and stood in the way oi Ayrshire being treated as a mere apanage of Glasgow , accounts for the existence of a strong desire on the part of the late Prov . Grancl Chapter that he should heremoved out of the way or rendered harmless by

beingma-• sonically degraded ; local jealousy on the part of some ¦ upon whose corns he had , in the discharge of his duties , as an important official in lodge and chapter , unceremoniously trod , had also something to do with the proposal to suspend Bro . Lyon ; whilst the blunt but effective style in which Comp . Good was accustomed

to expose to ridicule the Masonic quackery which , in "too many instances , have been attempted to be palmed upon the Craft by itinerant brethren , coupled with the energy which he has ever displayed in the conduct of Masonic matters in the town of Ayr , have combined to render Bro . Good ' s presence disagreeable to those keeping their own aggrandisement in view ,

-rather than the harmony and well-being of the order ; hence the desire for his degradation . With regard to the threatened secession , we have little to report . Thanks to the publication in the MAGAZINE of the real facts last week , the difficulties which beset the path of the seeeders in their attempted organisation of a

new Grand Chapter appear more apparent , and the contemplation of which seems to have had an evident tendency to cool the ardour of the misguided Companions , who have suffered themselves , thus far , to be nose-led by the few interested parties at the head of

the secession movement ; and we hope to be able , in our next MAGAZINE , to state that they have returned to their allegiance to the Supreme Grancl Chapter . It is right that we should mention that Dr . Arnott was not present at the meeting which took place in the

Crow Hotel , Glasgow , on the Sth inst ., and consequently cannot be held to be a leader in the insane Masonic movement of which Glasgow is at present the scene .

The Supreme Grand Council Of France And Marshal Magnan.

THE SUPREME GRAND COUNCIL OF FRANCE AND MARSHAL MAGNAN .

( Continued from page 22 J Resuming our narrative , we proceed to show what effect the manifesto of Marshal Magnan has had upon the Supreme Grand Council . The central Grand Lodge of the Ancient and Accepted Rite Ecossais , held a meeting under the

presidency of Bro . Guiffrey , its Master , ad vitam , for the purpose of guarding the ri ghts and privileges of the brethren ancl lodges , holding under the Supreme Grand Council . This meeting was numerously attended ; the various lodges of the rite having made it their duty to attend the call of their Masonic eriors

sup , ancl , to evince their sympathy , certain brethren holding under the Grand Orient were in attendance . After the loel ge had been opened , Bro . G-enevay , orator of the Grand Lodge Ecossais , was requested by the

The Supreme Grand Council Of France And Marshal Magnan.

Worshipful Master , to read Bro . A lennet ' s reply to Marshal Magnan ' s circular , which - answer of Bro . A iennet , thirty-third degree , acquired more than ordinary force and significance , from the fact of its being endorsed by the whole of the lodges ranging under the authority of the Supreme Grand Council . There were some two hundred members present

, who , when the Grand Orator , Bro . Genevay , rose to obey the commands of the AV orshipful Master , were hushed into profound silence . AVe shall not present our readers with the ipsissima verba of the document in question , but offer such remarks on it as appear to be in accordance ivith its spirit , ancl afford them a

right understanding of the case in all its bearings . The Most Puisant Sovereign Grand Commander commenced by deploring the necessity of defending the Bite Ecossais against the encroachments of a powerful man , who relying on an Imperial decree , badly construedwished to establish his authority of

, Grand Master , over the rite of the Supreme Grand Council , no mention or allusion to that rite having appeared in the edict in question . It was his duty to protect the interests and safety of the rite , as well as to enlighten the Emperor , the Minister of the Interior , ancl public opinion on the nature of the unjust

persecution of which they were the object . He drew a comparison between the supposed acts of an Archbishop , who , the day after his enthronisation , should compel all the ministers of the various reli gious sects to conform ancl assist him , at mass , in his cathedral . Such was the parallel ease to theirs , ancl Marshal Magnan had played a similar part .

After a rapid analysis of the principal facts relative to the history of the Masonic Order in France , and of the differences whieh existed since 1772 , between the central Grand Lodge Ecossais , and the Grancl Orient , as well as between the Supreme Grand Council ancl Grancl Orient , Bro . Alennet

traced the same to the conference of 1841 . which latter took place at the proposal of the Grand Orient , when the Due de Choiseul , M . P . Sov . G . Com ., accepted the negotiation , and named as his representatives the Duke Decazes , General de Fernig , Messrs . Guiffrej' -, Phillippe , Dupin , and

A ^ iennet . After various negotiatons , Bro . Viennet , in concert with Bro . Bouilly , representative of the Grancl Master of the Grand Orient , were authorised to draw up articles for a treaty of union . The personal friendship of the negotiators rendered their task easy , and they naturally made the agreement of 180-i the basis of their scheme , which comprised the

independence of both rites—the administration of the inferior grades by the Grancl Orient—ancl authority over the high grades by the Supreme Grand Council . The exchequer of both rites was merged in a common fund , but the accounts ancl orders were signed and controlled by their respective authorities , each one

within its proper limits . On the part of the Grand Orient it was not desired to render this union one of absorption , but they offered to admit those holding under the Supreme Grand Council , en masse , amongst the Grand Officers , and to take the Duke Decazes as Grancl Master . But there were certain points

ivhich , as sole heirs and represeutatives of ancient Masonry , coulcl not be surrendered by the Supreme Grand Council , for the latter felt that if they had uot been recognised as the depository of such , the

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