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Masonic Notes And Queries.

says : — " When we desire to confine our words , we commonly say , they are spoken ' under the rose ;' which expression is commendable , if the rose , from any natural property , be the symbol of silence , as Nazianzene seems to imply when he says : — Utque latet Rosa Verna suo putamine clausa

Sic os vincla ferat , validisque arctetur habenis , Indieatque suis prolixa Silentia labris . ' And is also tolerable if , hy desiring a secrecy to words spoke under the rose , we only mean in society and compotation from the ancient custom in Symposiack meetings , to wear chaplets of roses about their heads ;_ and so we condemn not the Germane customewhich

, over the table describeth a rose in the ceiling ; but more considerable it is if the original were such as Leinnius and others have recorded—that the rose was the floAver of Venus , which Cupid consecrated to Harpocrates , the God of Silence , and was therefore an emblem thereof , as is declared iu this

translation : — * The rose is Venus' pride—the archer hoy Gave to Harpocrates his mother's flower , AVhat time fond lovers told their tender joy—To guard with sacred secrecy the hour . Hence , o ' er his festive board the host uphung Love ' s flower of silence , to remind each guest , AA hen wine to amorous sallies loosed the tongne , Under the rose what pass'd , must never he express'd . ' And amongst other quotations we may include Mrs .

Spencer s lines : — ' In the mirror of truth , prithee say , is it shown ? Or is it but guess'd by your fancy alone , That pleasure , true pleasure , can only be known , Sub-Eosa ?'" Some have asserted that , with reference to this attribute of secrecythe rose was adoptednot onl

, , y as a part of the blazon on the arms , but likewise as a cognominal designation of the fraternity of the Eosycruciaus—a sect of philosophers which appeared in Germany about 1614 , aud presently spread themselves through most of the countries of Europe , aud out of which has sprung the present system of Ereemasonry .

The opinion that the rose was assumed as the symbol of secrecy , and the cross to represent the solemnity of the oath hy Avhich the vow of secrecy was ratified , is defended by a writer of great authority on the subject . The latter says , " the Masters of the Order hold out the rose ( the secret ) as a remote prize ; but

they impose the cross ( the labour ) on those who are entering . " There are many other incidents connected with Ereemasonry and the rose , which , for obvious reasons , must remain untold here . ]

BROTHER JONATHAN . "We often call the Americans Brothers Jonathan , hut few knoAV that it Avas of Masonic origin , and arose thus : — " George Washington , Commander-in-Chief of the American army in the Revolution , ivas a Masonas well as nearly all his Generals . On one

, occasion , Avhen the army had met with some serious reverses , General Washington called his Brother officers together to consult in Avhat manner their effects could be best counteracted . Differing as they did in opinion , the Commander-in-Chief postponed uny action upon the subjectby remarking' Let us

, , consult Brother Jonathan , ' referring to Jonathan Trumbull , who Avas a well-known Mason , and particularly distinguished for his sound judgment , . strict morals , and having the tongue of good report . " —Ex , Ex .

MASONIC PRIVATEERING . ( From the Limerick Chronicle of Nov . 28 th , 1812 . ) Arrived , the schooner United Sisters , of Poole , Webb , master , from Poole , bound to Bristol with pipe-clay , was boarded and plundered about four miles of the Start Point , by Le Furet , French

privateer of 18 guns , 140 men . Captain Webb was detained on board said privateer for two hours , during which time an Irish sloop , Three Friends , Bro . Captain Campbell , master , hove in sight , which was taken possession of also by the enemy ; but both vessels and their crews were liberated on the masters signing the following article in the English ancl French languages : —

" CARTE D ' ECHANQE . " Le Corsair Le Furet , de Saint Malo , Armateaw in Fotier 8 { Flareniberl , Captaine Louis Marencourt . "lb is hereby certified io whom it may concern , that I , Louis Marencourt , Captain of the French privateer Le Furctcaptured on the 6 th November ,

, 1812 , in the latitude of Start Point ( owner , Thomas Hammond ) , Captain Joseph Webb , aud that he , Joseph Webb , and crew of said vessel , have been provided with safe conveyance for England , and been released by me from the ship under my command , in which he was detained a prisoner of waron the

, folioAving conditions : — "' That I , Joseph Webb , above-mentioned , have hereby engaged my word and honour , and upon my oath , that immediately after my arrival in England I shall make every application in my poAver to exchange against me and my ship ' s company Bro .

J . Gantier , taken on the 16 th February , 1812 , on board the French schooner The Confiance , and detained on board the prison ship Croion Prince , and now prisoner in Chatham ; and that if I cannot succeed in liberating the aforesaid Bro . Joseph Gantier two months after the date of the present engagementI shall repair to France to be a prisoner

, of war , as I should have been , had not Captain Louis Marencourt granted me my liberty . I engage myself , besides , not to bear arms , either by sea or land , against France or her allies , before the execution of the above-mentioned conditions , made loillingly and triple at sea , on board the Le Furet , on the 6 th

November , 1812 . "' JOSEPH WEBB , " ' Captain of United Sisters , of Liverpool . "' JAMES CAMPBEM , , "' Captain of Three Friends , of Toughal ( M . M . No . 13 ) .

"' Louis MARENCOURT , Captain Le Furet . '" Copy of a Letter iu the Limerick Chronicle , 17 th February , 1813 , from Captain Crawford , of his Majesty's ship Modeste , to John Wilson Croker , Esq ., dated at Spithead , the 7 th February , 1813 .

. " SIR , —I have to acquaint you , for the information of my Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty , that , on Saturday morning last , offScilly , a French schooner privateer was forced to leeward on the Modeste , by being chased by his Majesty ' s sloop Wasp , and I am glad to say the Modeste captured her . The privateer , so confident of her superior sailing , would not bring to , until her rigging and sails were much damaged

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GRAND LODGE. Article 1
FREEMASONRY IN THE LEVANT. Article 2
ITALY. Article 3
ART AS APPLIED TO FURNITURE. Article 4
THE FORTHCOMING DUBLIN EXHIBITION. Article 5
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 6
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 8
THE EARLY GRAND AND HIGH KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 9
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 9
PROVINCIAL. Article 9
ROYAL ARCH. Article 10
SCOTLAND. Article 10
IRELAND. Article 11
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 12
INDIA. Article 12
CHINA. Article 13
Obituary. Article 14
LITERARY EXTRACTS. Article 14
Poetry. Article 15
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 16
Untitled Article 17
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

says : — " When we desire to confine our words , we commonly say , they are spoken ' under the rose ;' which expression is commendable , if the rose , from any natural property , be the symbol of silence , as Nazianzene seems to imply when he says : — Utque latet Rosa Verna suo putamine clausa

Sic os vincla ferat , validisque arctetur habenis , Indieatque suis prolixa Silentia labris . ' And is also tolerable if , hy desiring a secrecy to words spoke under the rose , we only mean in society and compotation from the ancient custom in Symposiack meetings , to wear chaplets of roses about their heads ;_ and so we condemn not the Germane customewhich

, over the table describeth a rose in the ceiling ; but more considerable it is if the original were such as Leinnius and others have recorded—that the rose was the floAver of Venus , which Cupid consecrated to Harpocrates , the God of Silence , and was therefore an emblem thereof , as is declared iu this

translation : — * The rose is Venus' pride—the archer hoy Gave to Harpocrates his mother's flower , AVhat time fond lovers told their tender joy—To guard with sacred secrecy the hour . Hence , o ' er his festive board the host uphung Love ' s flower of silence , to remind each guest , AA hen wine to amorous sallies loosed the tongne , Under the rose what pass'd , must never he express'd . ' And amongst other quotations we may include Mrs .

Spencer s lines : — ' In the mirror of truth , prithee say , is it shown ? Or is it but guess'd by your fancy alone , That pleasure , true pleasure , can only be known , Sub-Eosa ?'" Some have asserted that , with reference to this attribute of secrecythe rose was adoptednot onl

, , y as a part of the blazon on the arms , but likewise as a cognominal designation of the fraternity of the Eosycruciaus—a sect of philosophers which appeared in Germany about 1614 , aud presently spread themselves through most of the countries of Europe , aud out of which has sprung the present system of Ereemasonry .

The opinion that the rose was assumed as the symbol of secrecy , and the cross to represent the solemnity of the oath hy Avhich the vow of secrecy was ratified , is defended by a writer of great authority on the subject . The latter says , " the Masters of the Order hold out the rose ( the secret ) as a remote prize ; but

they impose the cross ( the labour ) on those who are entering . " There are many other incidents connected with Ereemasonry and the rose , which , for obvious reasons , must remain untold here . ]

BROTHER JONATHAN . "We often call the Americans Brothers Jonathan , hut few knoAV that it Avas of Masonic origin , and arose thus : — " George Washington , Commander-in-Chief of the American army in the Revolution , ivas a Masonas well as nearly all his Generals . On one

, occasion , Avhen the army had met with some serious reverses , General Washington called his Brother officers together to consult in Avhat manner their effects could be best counteracted . Differing as they did in opinion , the Commander-in-Chief postponed uny action upon the subjectby remarking' Let us

, , consult Brother Jonathan , ' referring to Jonathan Trumbull , who Avas a well-known Mason , and particularly distinguished for his sound judgment , . strict morals , and having the tongue of good report . " —Ex , Ex .

MASONIC PRIVATEERING . ( From the Limerick Chronicle of Nov . 28 th , 1812 . ) Arrived , the schooner United Sisters , of Poole , Webb , master , from Poole , bound to Bristol with pipe-clay , was boarded and plundered about four miles of the Start Point , by Le Furet , French

privateer of 18 guns , 140 men . Captain Webb was detained on board said privateer for two hours , during which time an Irish sloop , Three Friends , Bro . Captain Campbell , master , hove in sight , which was taken possession of also by the enemy ; but both vessels and their crews were liberated on the masters signing the following article in the English ancl French languages : —

" CARTE D ' ECHANQE . " Le Corsair Le Furet , de Saint Malo , Armateaw in Fotier 8 { Flareniberl , Captaine Louis Marencourt . "lb is hereby certified io whom it may concern , that I , Louis Marencourt , Captain of the French privateer Le Furctcaptured on the 6 th November ,

, 1812 , in the latitude of Start Point ( owner , Thomas Hammond ) , Captain Joseph Webb , aud that he , Joseph Webb , and crew of said vessel , have been provided with safe conveyance for England , and been released by me from the ship under my command , in which he was detained a prisoner of waron the

, folioAving conditions : — "' That I , Joseph Webb , above-mentioned , have hereby engaged my word and honour , and upon my oath , that immediately after my arrival in England I shall make every application in my poAver to exchange against me and my ship ' s company Bro .

J . Gantier , taken on the 16 th February , 1812 , on board the French schooner The Confiance , and detained on board the prison ship Croion Prince , and now prisoner in Chatham ; and that if I cannot succeed in liberating the aforesaid Bro . Joseph Gantier two months after the date of the present engagementI shall repair to France to be a prisoner

, of war , as I should have been , had not Captain Louis Marencourt granted me my liberty . I engage myself , besides , not to bear arms , either by sea or land , against France or her allies , before the execution of the above-mentioned conditions , made loillingly and triple at sea , on board the Le Furet , on the 6 th

November , 1812 . "' JOSEPH WEBB , " ' Captain of United Sisters , of Liverpool . "' JAMES CAMPBEM , , "' Captain of Three Friends , of Toughal ( M . M . No . 13 ) .

"' Louis MARENCOURT , Captain Le Furet . '" Copy of a Letter iu the Limerick Chronicle , 17 th February , 1813 , from Captain Crawford , of his Majesty's ship Modeste , to John Wilson Croker , Esq ., dated at Spithead , the 7 th February , 1813 .

. " SIR , —I have to acquaint you , for the information of my Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty , that , on Saturday morning last , offScilly , a French schooner privateer was forced to leeward on the Modeste , by being chased by his Majesty ' s sloop Wasp , and I am glad to say the Modeste captured her . The privateer , so confident of her superior sailing , would not bring to , until her rigging and sails were much damaged

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