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  • THE SELF-STYLED GRAND LODGE OF NEW SOUTH WALES.
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The Self-Styled Grand Lodge Of New South Wales.

remaining in their old allegiance to England , they should have full liberty to do so . In our opinion , Bro . Melntyre on Wednesday last did not rise to the dignity of the occasion . He treated the application with a respect it did not deserve , and dealt with it much in the same manner as

he mig ht have done with some case in a court of law which involved certain nice technicalities . Having regard to the position of our Grand Lodge as the oldest and most

venerable in the world , he should have ruled at once that the application must be rejected , as it was an absolute defiance of our Constitutions . England is too great a Masonic power to play at " follow my leader . "

The position taken up by Bro . Melntyre would have been stronger , as well as more dignified , had he given precedence to his argument , that as there were eighty-six English , Scotch , and Irish Lodges in the colony , the recognition of a body consisting of only thirteen Lodges

would stamp the others as irregular . But even here it would have been more satisfactory if he had pointed out that the small minority thus irregularly constituted into a Grand Lodge could not be regarded as representing the Masonic views of the colony with any greater show of reason

than the historic tailors of Tooley-street , in years gone by , represented the people of England . He might further have argued that as the bulk of the seceders belonged originally to the Scotch and Irish Lodges , it would have been an act of disloyalty to the Irish and Scotch Grand Lodges to

entertain the question of recognition , even m idea , for one single moment . Nor are we quite satisfied that this reason of Grand Registrar ' s , that to recognise the so-called Grand Lodge of New South Wales would convert the eighty-six other Lodges from regular into irregular organisations , will

bear examination . The Lodges in Montreal , which hold under the Grand Lodge of England , are no more irregular now , that there is a Grand Lodge of Quebec , than they were when they were first warranted . We recognised the

Grand Lodge of Canada on the understanding that such Lodges as preferred remaining on the roll of Grand Lodge should be at liberty to do so . We have expressed our willingness to recognise the Masonic independence of Quebec on the same terms .

Therefore , if the New South Wales Grand Lodge had been able to give as satisfactory reasons for their being recognised as Canada and Quebec , and the eighty-six Lodges had expressed awish to remain as heretofore , in their original allegiance , it would have been quite competent—as far as

our judgment goes—for England to have recognised New South Wales independence on the condition that all those of the aforesaid eighty-six Lodges which were on her register should remain there so long as they were desirous of remaining .

As to New South Wales being , Masonically speaking , an unoccupied territory , he must be a bold man who would adopt that view with eighty-six Lodges , many of them of long-standing , working regularly in accordance with the English , Scotch , and Irish Constitutions . Eig hty-six

Lodges are eighty-six irrefutable disproofs of the state . ment or suggestion , whatever may have been the sense in which it was made or intended . The North or South Pole , and the region round about , is an unoccupied territory in every sense , that of Masonry being included , but New

South Wales answers not the description—except in so far as that the Grand Lodge of England may follow up its refusal to recognise its self-styled Grand Lodge ,

excommunicate its members , and forbid association with them on the part of her own Lodges . This will be equivalent to a declaration that the Colony is unoccupied , so far as she is concerned , by this irregular Masonic body .

The annual meeting of the St . Leonard Lodge , No . 1766 , was held on Wednesday , at the Town Hall , Shoreditch , when Bro . 0 . F . Barham installed his successor , Bro . E . Benjamin . The meeting was a very good one , and the

proceedings throughout were of a most harmonious character . Pressure on our space precludes the possibility of our inserting a full report in this issue , bat we hope to do so next week .

Bro . Douglas R . Sherwill was appointed caterer to the Health Congress and Domestic Exhibition , held at the Royal Pavilion , and Corn Exchange , Brighton .

The meetings of the Crusaders Lodge of Instruction , No . 1677 , will be adjourned until the second Thursday in January 1882 , at 9 p . m ., on which evening a ballot will be drawn for a Governorship of the Masonic Charities .

The regular meeting of the St . Michael's Lodge , No . 211 , came off at the Albion Tavern , Aldersgate-street , on Tuesday , the loth inst . Bro . John Waters W . M . presided , and there was a full attendance of officers and members . The occasion is noteworthv from the fact that the death Ave

recorded last Aveek of Bro . Drysdale , the oldest member and Past Master—in fact , the Father—of the Lodge , Avas made the subject of a vote of condolence Avith his Avidow and family in their bereavement . Bro . C . Green AVOOC ! P . M . P . G . S . B ., Avho proposed the vote , and had known our

deceased brother intimately for some thirty years , spoke in the most eulogistic terms of the many sterling qualities exhibited by Bro . Drysdale , both in his private and Masonic capacity , describing him as one of the most genial of men , and one who sympathised in thought and deed with every

object deserving of sympathy . But great as was the loss sustained by the Lodge through the death of one who had been connected Avith it for the lengthened period of 35 years , Avho had twice filled the office of Worshipful Master , who had been its Secretary for thirteen years , and who ,

above all things , had won the love and respect of all its members , still greater must be the loss experienced by his family Avith whom he Avas in daily intercourse , and to Avhom he had ahvays proved himself most kind and considerate .

It is needless to say the remarks of Bro . Greenwood were endorsed with the unanimous approval of those present , and the Secretary was instructed to convey to Bro . Drysdale ' s Avidow the sincere condolence of tho Lodge .

St . Michael's Lodge merits our sympathy on other grounds than that of the loss it has just sustained through the death of Bro . Drysdale . A Mr . R . C . D . Bradley , Master Mariner , ancl Chief Officer of the good ship Sumatra , had been balloted for at the previous meeting , and in the usual

order of events should have been initiated on Tuesday . Unfortunately , Mr . Bradley had , in the interim , met Avith an accident , and , in consequence , was unable to be present . We must content ourselves with expressing the hope that

Mr . Bradley will have recovered by the time the next meeting of the Lodge takes place . He will be most heartily welcomed when his health permits him to present himself for the important ceremony of initiation .

H . R . H . the Prince of Wales was among those present at the meeting held on Tuesday in the Chapter House of Westminster Abbey , under the presidency of Dean Bradley , for the purpose of promoting a suitable memorial to the late Dean Stanley . Earl Granville also attended .

On Monday , the Duke of Edinburgh , accompanied by Prince Leopold Duke of Albany and Prince Christian , visited Manchester , for the purpose of attending a musical soiree , Avith a view to the cultivation of music . The

reception accorded their Royal Highnesses Avas of a most enthusiastic character , and the speeches they severally made Avere applauded to the echo . The illustrious party visited Owen ' s College , the Peel Park , and other places

and buildings of interest , receiving an address from the Mayor and Corporation , in the Town Hall , on Tuesday , after which they took train and returned to London . During their stay the Princes Avere tho guests of the Mayor .

The Prince and Princess of Wales returned to Marlborough House from their visit to the Marquis and Marchioness of Bath , at Longleat , on Saturday last .

An Irish Ladies Distress Fund has been opened at the Mansion House under the immediate patronage of the Right Honourable the Lord Mayor .

Bro . Holland , M . P . for Brighton , has been taking a prominent part in the Health Congress held in the Pavilion during the current Aveek . At the picture exhibition in connection Avith the show of

dogs by the Kennel Club at the Alexandra Palace , held this week , is one by Bro . H . E . Frances , called " Cavalier and Roundhead , " in Avhich tAvo dogs of different breeds are shown , well painted , and admirably typifying these historical belligerents .

The Right Hou . the Lord Mayor ( Bro . Alderman Ellis ) , who will , we believe , be installed as W . M . of the Grand Masters Lodge , No . 1 , early in the NBAV Year , has kindly

consented to preside at the 84 th Anniversary Festival of the Royal Masonic Institution for Boys , to he held in June next ,

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The Self-Styled Grand Lodge Of New South Wales.

remaining in their old allegiance to England , they should have full liberty to do so . In our opinion , Bro . Melntyre on Wednesday last did not rise to the dignity of the occasion . He treated the application with a respect it did not deserve , and dealt with it much in the same manner as

he mig ht have done with some case in a court of law which involved certain nice technicalities . Having regard to the position of our Grand Lodge as the oldest and most

venerable in the world , he should have ruled at once that the application must be rejected , as it was an absolute defiance of our Constitutions . England is too great a Masonic power to play at " follow my leader . "

The position taken up by Bro . Melntyre would have been stronger , as well as more dignified , had he given precedence to his argument , that as there were eighty-six English , Scotch , and Irish Lodges in the colony , the recognition of a body consisting of only thirteen Lodges

would stamp the others as irregular . But even here it would have been more satisfactory if he had pointed out that the small minority thus irregularly constituted into a Grand Lodge could not be regarded as representing the Masonic views of the colony with any greater show of reason

than the historic tailors of Tooley-street , in years gone by , represented the people of England . He might further have argued that as the bulk of the seceders belonged originally to the Scotch and Irish Lodges , it would have been an act of disloyalty to the Irish and Scotch Grand Lodges to

entertain the question of recognition , even m idea , for one single moment . Nor are we quite satisfied that this reason of Grand Registrar ' s , that to recognise the so-called Grand Lodge of New South Wales would convert the eighty-six other Lodges from regular into irregular organisations , will

bear examination . The Lodges in Montreal , which hold under the Grand Lodge of England , are no more irregular now , that there is a Grand Lodge of Quebec , than they were when they were first warranted . We recognised the

Grand Lodge of Canada on the understanding that such Lodges as preferred remaining on the roll of Grand Lodge should be at liberty to do so . We have expressed our willingness to recognise the Masonic independence of Quebec on the same terms .

Therefore , if the New South Wales Grand Lodge had been able to give as satisfactory reasons for their being recognised as Canada and Quebec , and the eighty-six Lodges had expressed awish to remain as heretofore , in their original allegiance , it would have been quite competent—as far as

our judgment goes—for England to have recognised New South Wales independence on the condition that all those of the aforesaid eighty-six Lodges which were on her register should remain there so long as they were desirous of remaining .

As to New South Wales being , Masonically speaking , an unoccupied territory , he must be a bold man who would adopt that view with eighty-six Lodges , many of them of long-standing , working regularly in accordance with the English , Scotch , and Irish Constitutions . Eig hty-six

Lodges are eighty-six irrefutable disproofs of the state . ment or suggestion , whatever may have been the sense in which it was made or intended . The North or South Pole , and the region round about , is an unoccupied territory in every sense , that of Masonry being included , but New

South Wales answers not the description—except in so far as that the Grand Lodge of England may follow up its refusal to recognise its self-styled Grand Lodge ,

excommunicate its members , and forbid association with them on the part of her own Lodges . This will be equivalent to a declaration that the Colony is unoccupied , so far as she is concerned , by this irregular Masonic body .

The annual meeting of the St . Leonard Lodge , No . 1766 , was held on Wednesday , at the Town Hall , Shoreditch , when Bro . 0 . F . Barham installed his successor , Bro . E . Benjamin . The meeting was a very good one , and the

proceedings throughout were of a most harmonious character . Pressure on our space precludes the possibility of our inserting a full report in this issue , bat we hope to do so next week .

Bro . Douglas R . Sherwill was appointed caterer to the Health Congress and Domestic Exhibition , held at the Royal Pavilion , and Corn Exchange , Brighton .

The meetings of the Crusaders Lodge of Instruction , No . 1677 , will be adjourned until the second Thursday in January 1882 , at 9 p . m ., on which evening a ballot will be drawn for a Governorship of the Masonic Charities .

The regular meeting of the St . Michael's Lodge , No . 211 , came off at the Albion Tavern , Aldersgate-street , on Tuesday , the loth inst . Bro . John Waters W . M . presided , and there was a full attendance of officers and members . The occasion is noteworthv from the fact that the death Ave

recorded last Aveek of Bro . Drysdale , the oldest member and Past Master—in fact , the Father—of the Lodge , Avas made the subject of a vote of condolence Avith his Avidow and family in their bereavement . Bro . C . Green AVOOC ! P . M . P . G . S . B ., Avho proposed the vote , and had known our

deceased brother intimately for some thirty years , spoke in the most eulogistic terms of the many sterling qualities exhibited by Bro . Drysdale , both in his private and Masonic capacity , describing him as one of the most genial of men , and one who sympathised in thought and deed with every

object deserving of sympathy . But great as was the loss sustained by the Lodge through the death of one who had been connected Avith it for the lengthened period of 35 years , Avho had twice filled the office of Worshipful Master , who had been its Secretary for thirteen years , and who ,

above all things , had won the love and respect of all its members , still greater must be the loss experienced by his family Avith whom he Avas in daily intercourse , and to Avhom he had ahvays proved himself most kind and considerate .

It is needless to say the remarks of Bro . Greenwood were endorsed with the unanimous approval of those present , and the Secretary was instructed to convey to Bro . Drysdale ' s Avidow the sincere condolence of tho Lodge .

St . Michael's Lodge merits our sympathy on other grounds than that of the loss it has just sustained through the death of Bro . Drysdale . A Mr . R . C . D . Bradley , Master Mariner , ancl Chief Officer of the good ship Sumatra , had been balloted for at the previous meeting , and in the usual

order of events should have been initiated on Tuesday . Unfortunately , Mr . Bradley had , in the interim , met Avith an accident , and , in consequence , was unable to be present . We must content ourselves with expressing the hope that

Mr . Bradley will have recovered by the time the next meeting of the Lodge takes place . He will be most heartily welcomed when his health permits him to present himself for the important ceremony of initiation .

H . R . H . the Prince of Wales was among those present at the meeting held on Tuesday in the Chapter House of Westminster Abbey , under the presidency of Dean Bradley , for the purpose of promoting a suitable memorial to the late Dean Stanley . Earl Granville also attended .

On Monday , the Duke of Edinburgh , accompanied by Prince Leopold Duke of Albany and Prince Christian , visited Manchester , for the purpose of attending a musical soiree , Avith a view to the cultivation of music . The

reception accorded their Royal Highnesses Avas of a most enthusiastic character , and the speeches they severally made Avere applauded to the echo . The illustrious party visited Owen ' s College , the Peel Park , and other places

and buildings of interest , receiving an address from the Mayor and Corporation , in the Town Hall , on Tuesday , after which they took train and returned to London . During their stay the Princes Avere tho guests of the Mayor .

The Prince and Princess of Wales returned to Marlborough House from their visit to the Marquis and Marchioness of Bath , at Longleat , on Saturday last .

An Irish Ladies Distress Fund has been opened at the Mansion House under the immediate patronage of the Right Honourable the Lord Mayor .

Bro . Holland , M . P . for Brighton , has been taking a prominent part in the Health Congress held in the Pavilion during the current Aveek . At the picture exhibition in connection Avith the show of

dogs by the Kennel Club at the Alexandra Palace , held this week , is one by Bro . H . E . Frances , called " Cavalier and Roundhead , " in Avhich tAvo dogs of different breeds are shown , well painted , and admirably typifying these historical belligerents .

The Right Hou . the Lord Mayor ( Bro . Alderman Ellis ) , who will , we believe , be installed as W . M . of the Grand Masters Lodge , No . 1 , early in the NBAV Year , has kindly

consented to preside at the 84 th Anniversary Festival of the Royal Masonic Institution for Boys , to he held in June next ,

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