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Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

[ THE EDITOE does not hold himself responsible for any opinions entertained hy Correspondents . ' ] LODGE OF INDUSTRY . ,

TO THIS EMIOK OP THE PREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Sin , —A few days ago I visited Lodge No . 219 , when the ceremony of installation was performed by the late TV . M . in a manner that excited the admiration of every brother present , save one , a P . G . J . D ., who , in a very objectionable manner , found fault with the working , and in a tone of authority , which I suppose only the purple can justify , declared " It is all wrong—you are all wrong '

together . " The Board of Installed Masters being appealed to , admitted that they never heard or saw the ceremony worked differently ; and that it was precisely the same as taught by Bro . Goring , who had it from IJro . AA atson , who had it from Bro . Eackstraw , who had it from Peter Gilkes ; but it appears this is not exactly as they have it at the "Emulation . " The LodgeNo . 219 together with most of the AVest End

, , Lodges , have a great objection to "Emulation" working , or "Emulation" authority being thrust upon them by this P . G . J . D ., and as the worth y brother completely marred what would otherwise have been a most delightful evening , I am induced to ask you , Mr . Editor , what power or authority has a P . G . J . D to interfere with the working of a private Lodge in the manner described ? Your ansAver will oblige

ONK OF THE BOAI . ' D OF INSTALLED MASTEKS . [ The brother alluded to has no power beyond that which is accorded to him by courtesy ; and nothing can be in worse taste than interference with the working of a Lodge by a visitor , without some flagrant violation of our laws and ceremonies—and ire know the late WM . of the Industry to he too good a Mason either to violate the laivs himself , or permit others to do so . —En . ]

THE GRAM ) LODGE OE IRELAND . nKl'UUSKXTATION 01 ' THIS VllOYIKUIAT , « I ! AOT 10 D 0 K OF I'OKTUUAL AT THE UK AND LODGE OF IllKLAXB . TO TUB EDITOR 01 ? TIIE i'ttEEMASOXS' MAGAZINE AND MASOMC MIliRok . Sin AND JhioruKii , —I have lately had my attention drawn by several influential members of the Order in this city , to a notice

appearing ou page E 15 S of the Freemasons' Magazine and Alasonic Mirror , monthly part , December 3 rd to 31 st , ' 1 S 50 , purporting to contain an account of the proceedings of the Grand Lodge of Ireland , on Thursday , 1 st December last , and in whicli the following statement appears , viz ., "Bro . Elislia D . Cooke , of Kentucky , and Bro . John H . Goddard , representative from the Prov . Grand Lodge of Lisbon , were introduced by the E . AV .

Deputy Grand Master to the Grand Lod ge in a very eloquent manner , stating that Bro . Cooke would explain his mission . " AVith regard to so much of that statement as has reference to me as representative from the Provincial Grand Lodge of Lisbon , I have to inform you that there was , and is , no foundation whatever for it ; and beg you will contradict the same in your next publication , as no such introduction of mc took place on that evening by our respected Deputy Grand JIaster or any other brother .

_ Bro . Cooke attended the Grand Lodge on that occasion as a visitor ; and I am told that he made some statement relative to liis object in visiting this country , wliich I believe is , as a traveller for some American ncAi'spaper ; but at the time of his being so introduced on that evening to the Grand Lodge , I ivas actually not in the room at all , having been asked by our R . AV . Deputy Grand Master to act on the scrutiny of a ballot for the Board ( if

General Purposes , which took place the same evening , and ivhich scrutiny ivas held in another room altogether . I think it due to myself and the large and influential body of brethren in Portugal and the Brazils—whose representative I have the honour to be at the Gntncl Lodge of Ireland—to give this public contradiction to the statement of Bro . Cooke ; and to inform you that my so called introduction to the Grand of

Lodge Ireland , as such representative , took place several years ago , and some time also before our present R . AV . Deputy Grand Master was appointed to the hi gh position ivhich he IIOAV so worthily fills . And whilst on this subject , I may mention to you that I understand Bro . Cooke neither asked nor received permission from our R . AV . Deputy Grand Master to . publish the proceedings of our

Grand Lodge on that evening-, such publication ( without permission ) being a breach of one of our Grand Lodge laws . And I believe no brother here was aware of his intention to do so until the appearance ofthe article in question in your Magazine . During Bro . Cooke's stay in Dublin he was frequently in the office of our Grand Secretary , and no doubt amongst all the information freely and courteously afforded to him there by our

zealous and active brethren , L . II . Deering ( not During , as printed in the said article ) , ourD . G . S ., and Chas . T . AValmsley , our A . S ., he had au opportunity of reading our Grand Lodge laws ; and after the article appeared I understand his attention was called in particular to the rule which I have mentioned , and which was broken by such publication of our Grand Lodge proceedings , without permissionas before stated . And I must further say

, that , in my opinion , and that of other brethren here , when a brother visits a foreign country lie should conform , whether bound to do so or not , out of courtesy at least , to the Masonic laivs of that country , which in this instance Bro . Cooke has not done , although "leave is light , " aud easily obtained from our R . AV . Deputy Grand Master , provided the object be bond fide aud that no rule exists to the contrary .

I am , Sir and Brother , fraternally yours , - | - JOHN II . GODDABD , . ' . Representative from the Prov . Grand Lodge of Portugal at the Grand Lodge of Ireland ; Brother ofthe Order of Merit , Lisbon ; and honorary member of the Prov . Grand Lodge of Portugal and of the Lodges Nos . 888 , 880 , oil , and 8-1-1 , Lisbon ; also of the Lodge " Caridade Universal , " in the Brazils , No . 878 . » 15 , Nelson-streel , Dublin , 26 th January , 1860 .

TO THE EDITOR 01 ? THE IfREE . lIASOXS' MAGAZINE AND JIASONIC MIRROR . DKAU SIR AND liuo / nitm , —In your Magazine for January 28 th instant , under the head of " Kent , " I find the folloiving error . I am desirous to correct it . " The lately resuscitated Lodge of Sheerness . " It should have been Pavcrsham , instead , of Sheerness ; I am happy to say we are in full swing in Sheerness . I remain , dear Sir and Brother , yours fraternally , J . Y . KKIIDELL , Sheerness , Jan . oOtli , I 860 . AV . M ., No . 18-1 .

THE LODGES IN KENT .

PAST GRAND OFFICERS AND INITIATES .

TO TUB EDITOK OP THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASOXIC MIRROR . DKAII Sni ASIA BKOTHEU , —At a recent meeting of the Lodge to which I have the honour to belong , a certain Past Junior Grand Deacon happened to be present , and on the Director of Ceremonies conducting him to the place assigned to him at the banquet , ivhich was at the head of the visitors and next to the three initiates , the worshipful brother demanded , in a churlish and

un-Masonic manner , that he " should sit next to the Master , or he would not sit doivn at all . " It was our impression that this right belonged only to the M . AV . Grand JIaster and the Deputy Grand Master , or to the Prov . Grand Master and the Deputy Prov . Grand Master in their OAA-II province ; but with a becoming courtesy on the p ut of the Director of Ceremonies , contrasting forcibly with the imperious tone of our guest , the position AA-US at once accorded

to him . As wc arc most desirous of treating our visitors ivith every mark of respect wliich the rules of politeness may dictate , and to which the routine of etiquette may entitle them , I shall be obliged by your opinion on tlie subject , so that Ave or any other Lodge may not for the future be subjected to the rudeness and assumption of this singularly crochetty individual .

Believe mc , fraternally yours , January 31 st ' , I 860 . SUAVITKK . [ The brother in question , whoever he may be , had no right to claim an } ' such privilege . Had ive been acting as D . C . wc should have let him go . It is usual to give initiates the post of honour upon their being introduced into Masonry . —En . ]

ROYAL BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION FOR AGED MASONS AND THEIR AVIDOAVS .

TO THE EDITOR OP THE FREEMASONS' JtA'IAZINE AUD MASOUIC MIllllOR . Di'Mit Sni AS it Hiio'i'jimx , —In your report of the festival for the Royal Benevolent Masonic Institution , held on the 25 th ult .,

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FREEMASONRY AND ITS INSTITUTES.—II. Article 1
SKETCHES FROM A TRAVELLER'S JOURNAL. Article 3
FROM DARK TO LIGHT. Article 6
ROYAL INSTITUTE OF BRITISH ARCHITECTS. Article 8
Untitled Article 10
ARCHÆOLOGY . Article 11
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 11
Literature. Article 13
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 16
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 18
ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
IRELAND. Article 19
DENMARK. Article 19
Obituary. Article 19
THE WEEK. Article 19
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

[ THE EDITOE does not hold himself responsible for any opinions entertained hy Correspondents . ' ] LODGE OF INDUSTRY . ,

TO THIS EMIOK OP THE PREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Sin , —A few days ago I visited Lodge No . 219 , when the ceremony of installation was performed by the late TV . M . in a manner that excited the admiration of every brother present , save one , a P . G . J . D ., who , in a very objectionable manner , found fault with the working , and in a tone of authority , which I suppose only the purple can justify , declared " It is all wrong—you are all wrong '

together . " The Board of Installed Masters being appealed to , admitted that they never heard or saw the ceremony worked differently ; and that it was precisely the same as taught by Bro . Goring , who had it from IJro . AA atson , who had it from Bro . Eackstraw , who had it from Peter Gilkes ; but it appears this is not exactly as they have it at the "Emulation . " The LodgeNo . 219 together with most of the AVest End

, , Lodges , have a great objection to "Emulation" working , or "Emulation" authority being thrust upon them by this P . G . J . D ., and as the worth y brother completely marred what would otherwise have been a most delightful evening , I am induced to ask you , Mr . Editor , what power or authority has a P . G . J . D to interfere with the working of a private Lodge in the manner described ? Your ansAver will oblige

ONK OF THE BOAI . ' D OF INSTALLED MASTEKS . [ The brother alluded to has no power beyond that which is accorded to him by courtesy ; and nothing can be in worse taste than interference with the working of a Lodge by a visitor , without some flagrant violation of our laws and ceremonies—and ire know the late WM . of the Industry to he too good a Mason either to violate the laivs himself , or permit others to do so . —En . ]

THE GRAM ) LODGE OE IRELAND . nKl'UUSKXTATION 01 ' THIS VllOYIKUIAT , « I ! AOT 10 D 0 K OF I'OKTUUAL AT THE UK AND LODGE OF IllKLAXB . TO TUB EDITOR 01 ? TIIE i'ttEEMASOXS' MAGAZINE AND MASOMC MIliRok . Sin AND JhioruKii , —I have lately had my attention drawn by several influential members of the Order in this city , to a notice

appearing ou page E 15 S of the Freemasons' Magazine and Alasonic Mirror , monthly part , December 3 rd to 31 st , ' 1 S 50 , purporting to contain an account of the proceedings of the Grand Lodge of Ireland , on Thursday , 1 st December last , and in whicli the following statement appears , viz ., "Bro . Elislia D . Cooke , of Kentucky , and Bro . John H . Goddard , representative from the Prov . Grand Lodge of Lisbon , were introduced by the E . AV .

Deputy Grand Master to the Grand Lod ge in a very eloquent manner , stating that Bro . Cooke would explain his mission . " AVith regard to so much of that statement as has reference to me as representative from the Provincial Grand Lodge of Lisbon , I have to inform you that there was , and is , no foundation whatever for it ; and beg you will contradict the same in your next publication , as no such introduction of mc took place on that evening by our respected Deputy Grand JIaster or any other brother .

_ Bro . Cooke attended the Grand Lodge on that occasion as a visitor ; and I am told that he made some statement relative to liis object in visiting this country , wliich I believe is , as a traveller for some American ncAi'spaper ; but at the time of his being so introduced on that evening to the Grand Lodge , I ivas actually not in the room at all , having been asked by our R . AV . Deputy Grand Master to act on the scrutiny of a ballot for the Board ( if

General Purposes , which took place the same evening , and ivhich scrutiny ivas held in another room altogether . I think it due to myself and the large and influential body of brethren in Portugal and the Brazils—whose representative I have the honour to be at the Gntncl Lodge of Ireland—to give this public contradiction to the statement of Bro . Cooke ; and to inform you that my so called introduction to the Grand of

Lodge Ireland , as such representative , took place several years ago , and some time also before our present R . AV . Deputy Grand Master was appointed to the hi gh position ivhich he IIOAV so worthily fills . And whilst on this subject , I may mention to you that I understand Bro . Cooke neither asked nor received permission from our R . AV . Deputy Grand Master to . publish the proceedings of our

Grand Lodge on that evening-, such publication ( without permission ) being a breach of one of our Grand Lodge laws . And I believe no brother here was aware of his intention to do so until the appearance ofthe article in question in your Magazine . During Bro . Cooke's stay in Dublin he was frequently in the office of our Grand Secretary , and no doubt amongst all the information freely and courteously afforded to him there by our

zealous and active brethren , L . II . Deering ( not During , as printed in the said article ) , ourD . G . S ., and Chas . T . AValmsley , our A . S ., he had au opportunity of reading our Grand Lodge laws ; and after the article appeared I understand his attention was called in particular to the rule which I have mentioned , and which was broken by such publication of our Grand Lodge proceedings , without permissionas before stated . And I must further say

, that , in my opinion , and that of other brethren here , when a brother visits a foreign country lie should conform , whether bound to do so or not , out of courtesy at least , to the Masonic laivs of that country , which in this instance Bro . Cooke has not done , although "leave is light , " aud easily obtained from our R . AV . Deputy Grand Master , provided the object be bond fide aud that no rule exists to the contrary .

I am , Sir and Brother , fraternally yours , - | - JOHN II . GODDABD , . ' . Representative from the Prov . Grand Lodge of Portugal at the Grand Lodge of Ireland ; Brother ofthe Order of Merit , Lisbon ; and honorary member of the Prov . Grand Lodge of Portugal and of the Lodges Nos . 888 , 880 , oil , and 8-1-1 , Lisbon ; also of the Lodge " Caridade Universal , " in the Brazils , No . 878 . » 15 , Nelson-streel , Dublin , 26 th January , 1860 .

TO THE EDITOR 01 ? THE IfREE . lIASOXS' MAGAZINE AND JIASONIC MIRROR . DKAU SIR AND liuo / nitm , —In your Magazine for January 28 th instant , under the head of " Kent , " I find the folloiving error . I am desirous to correct it . " The lately resuscitated Lodge of Sheerness . " It should have been Pavcrsham , instead , of Sheerness ; I am happy to say we are in full swing in Sheerness . I remain , dear Sir and Brother , yours fraternally , J . Y . KKIIDELL , Sheerness , Jan . oOtli , I 860 . AV . M ., No . 18-1 .

THE LODGES IN KENT .

PAST GRAND OFFICERS AND INITIATES .

TO TUB EDITOK OP THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASOXIC MIRROR . DKAII Sni ASIA BKOTHEU , —At a recent meeting of the Lodge to which I have the honour to belong , a certain Past Junior Grand Deacon happened to be present , and on the Director of Ceremonies conducting him to the place assigned to him at the banquet , ivhich was at the head of the visitors and next to the three initiates , the worshipful brother demanded , in a churlish and

un-Masonic manner , that he " should sit next to the Master , or he would not sit doivn at all . " It was our impression that this right belonged only to the M . AV . Grand JIaster and the Deputy Grand Master , or to the Prov . Grand Master and the Deputy Prov . Grand Master in their OAA-II province ; but with a becoming courtesy on the p ut of the Director of Ceremonies , contrasting forcibly with the imperious tone of our guest , the position AA-US at once accorded

to him . As wc arc most desirous of treating our visitors ivith every mark of respect wliich the rules of politeness may dictate , and to which the routine of etiquette may entitle them , I shall be obliged by your opinion on tlie subject , so that Ave or any other Lodge may not for the future be subjected to the rudeness and assumption of this singularly crochetty individual .

Believe mc , fraternally yours , January 31 st ' , I 860 . SUAVITKK . [ The brother in question , whoever he may be , had no right to claim an } ' such privilege . Had ive been acting as D . C . wc should have let him go . It is usual to give initiates the post of honour upon their being introduced into Masonry . —En . ]

ROYAL BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION FOR AGED MASONS AND THEIR AVIDOAVS .

TO THE EDITOR OP THE FREEMASONS' JtA'IAZINE AUD MASOUIC MIllllOR . Di'Mit Sni AS it Hiio'i'jimx , —In your report of the festival for the Royal Benevolent Masonic Institution , held on the 25 th ult .,

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