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The Masonic Schools.

subscriber to these schools , partly from an interest I take in their Avelfare , and partly from a desire , Avhich is perhaps shared by many , of having a voice in the annual elections . If I am to be deprived of my votes by the introduction of this new rule , it will be for me to consider Avhether my subscriptions shall be continued , and it will be for the committees of management to consider

whether they may not be seriously prejudicing the interests and prosperity of the schools , by doing away with subscribers , and by selling presentations for so insufficient a sum of money . I append a tabular statement shoAving the probable duration of life at different ages , compiled from the tables in use by most of the life insurance offices .

Assuming £ 30 to be the cost of each child for board , education , and clothing ; the annual cost to the institution for each child during the life of a person buying a continuous presentation Avill be £ 20 in excess of the interest accruing from the purchase money , and this must chiefly be made up by subscribers , who vrill lose , their votes . I have added in another column the total amount to be

disbursed either out of the funded property of the schools , or by means of subscriptions , to maintain a child , or rather a succession of children . If therefore six presentations should be purchased by persons not exceeding thirty years of age , the school funds or subscribers must be taxed in the aggregate to the extent of considerably beyond £ 3000 , and the subscribers meanwhile will cease to have votes , as there will be no open elections .

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__ ~ . ^ *^ - - _ o ? 1- § " * §§ -3 2 ? S |" &~ go g cs gsu g « s-< p . < -3 < . 25 30 £ 10 £ 20 £ 600 30 28 10 20 560 35 25 10 20 500

40 23 10 20 460 45 20 10 20 400 50 15 10 ¦ 20 300 In the hope that these few remarks may prevent the sale of life presentations . I have the honour to be , your most obedient servant , A SUBSCRIBER .

Grand Lodge.

GRAND LODGE .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE EEBEMASONs' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR AND BEOTIIEE . — "Will you allow me to correct two errors in your report of the proceedings of the last Quarterly Communication of Grand Lodge , Avhich no doubt arose from a bad cold having prevented me from speaking sufficiently distinct to be heard by your reporter .

On the question of appointing a neAV Trustee , I said that I thought that before Grand Lodge was asked to appoint a Trustee without notice , some reason should be stated why due notice had not been given . On the question of the Grand Lodge Property I did not complain of the limitation in the poAvers of the Board of General Purposes , or express a hope that Grand Lodge ivould not confine them to the words of the resolutions of 1858 . On the contrary I stated that , as a

Grand Lodge.

member of the Board , I was satisfied with the powers already given ; that it must be evident to Grand Lodge from the request made by the Board that a majority of the Board desired to travel out of the instructions of Grand Lodge , and to consider the disposal of the property Avith the vieAV of increasing the tavern accommodation instead of devoting so much of the property as might be

necessary , exclusively to Masonic purpose ' s ; and that I hoped the question ivould not be referred to the Board again without a definite determination on the part of Grand Lodge , either confirming or contradicting the instructions clearly laid doAvn in 1858 . I am awaro that the individual opinion of any member of Grand Lodge is of small moment , but I should be in Grand

sorry to be supposed to haA'e supported , Lodge or elsewhere , any departure from those resolutions of 1858 , Avhich might prejudice our chances of having for the Freemasons of England a central establishment under our OAVU control and devoted to our OAVU purposes . I am , dear Sir and Brother , yours faithfully and fraternally , CHARLES HUTTON GREGORY , J . G . D . Delahay-street , Westminster , March 11 , 1862 .

Wardens And Masters.

WARDENS AND MASTERS .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . WoEsiiiri-UL SIE AND BIIOTHEE . — -Amongst the answers to correspondents in your number of the 1 st instant , I notice a statement that the Senior Warden of a lodge may laAvfully conduct the ceremonies of initiation , passing , and raising . I have heard many opinions on this subject , both pro and con , and particularly the editor of

theEfiEEJIASONS QUARTERLY REVIEAV in his ansAvers to correspondents in 1847 , states positively that such a proceeding is decidly contrary to ancient usage , and if brought before the Board of General Purposes Avould lay the loclge Avherein it took place open to severe censure and possible erasure . Now sir , I am of your opinion , I think that according to ancient usage a S . W . may legally conduct

the ceremonies , and I form such opinion chiefly for the following reasons : —In the last edition of Preston ' s Illustrations of Masonry ( 1861 ) , edited by our revered brother Dr . Oliver , I find at page 139 the folloAving statement attributed to the learned Antiquary Elias Ashmole : — "I was made a Ereemason at Wai-rington , Lancashire , Avith Colonel Henry MainAvaring , of Kerthingham , in Cheshire , by Mr . Richard Penket , the Warden , and the EelloAV Crafts on 16 th October 164-6 . " I also

find at page 142 , that amongst the resolutions past at a general assembly of the Craft , on the 27 th December , 1663 , under the Grand Mastership of the Earl of St . Albans , Avas the following : — " That no person , of what degree soever , be made or accepted a Ereemason , unless in a regular lodge , ivhereof one to be a Master or a Warden in that limit of division where such lodge is kept ,

& c . " I think it is therefore evident that in the 17 th century it Avas legal for a Warden to initiate—I have not heard of any alteration in the laAV . As this is a question involving considerable interest , especially to country lodges , perhaps some of your experienced readers will kindly favour me with their opinions and also the resolution or experience on Avhich such opinions are founded ;

perhaps our learned historian will himself express his views on the question . I would also gladly be informed whether in the eA ent of a W . M . being himself incompetent to conduct the ceremonies , and his Warden being both willing ancl able , the W . M . has a right to delegate his office to a stranger , or Avhether the S . W . could not insist the privilege of

upon conducting tho ceremonies of his own lodge . Of course I presume that there is no P . M . willing or able . Yours fraternally , EXCELSIOR . West Lancashire , llth March , 18 C 2 .

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THE BOYS' SCHOOL. Article 1
LIGHT. Article 2
MASONIC FACTS. Article 3
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 6
HER MAJESTY. Article 6
ELIAS ASHMOLE. Article 6
THE MASONIC SCHOOLS. Article 6
GRAND LODGE. Article 7
WARDENS AND MASTERS. Article 7
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 8
METROPOLITAN. Article 9
PROVINCIAL. Article 10
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 13
SCOTLAND. Article 13
IRELAND. Article 14
INDIA. Article 14
ROYAL ARCH. Article 16
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 17
ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 18
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 18
NOTES ON MUSIC AND THE DRAMA. Article 19
THE WEEK. Article 19
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Masonic Schools.

subscriber to these schools , partly from an interest I take in their Avelfare , and partly from a desire , Avhich is perhaps shared by many , of having a voice in the annual elections . If I am to be deprived of my votes by the introduction of this new rule , it will be for me to consider Avhether my subscriptions shall be continued , and it will be for the committees of management to consider

whether they may not be seriously prejudicing the interests and prosperity of the schools , by doing away with subscribers , and by selling presentations for so insufficient a sum of money . I append a tabular statement shoAving the probable duration of life at different ages , compiled from the tables in use by most of the life insurance offices .

Assuming £ 30 to be the cost of each child for board , education , and clothing ; the annual cost to the institution for each child during the life of a person buying a continuous presentation Avill be £ 20 in excess of the interest accruing from the purchase money , and this must chiefly be made up by subscribers , who vrill lose , their votes . I have added in another column the total amount to be

disbursed either out of the funded property of the schools , or by means of subscriptions , to maintain a child , or rather a succession of children . If therefore six presentations should be purchased by persons not exceeding thirty years of age , the school funds or subscribers must be taxed in the aggregate to the extent of considerably beyond £ 3000 , and the subscribers meanwhile will cease to have votes , as there will be no open elections .

j- OT © t & J- " -S ^ O ^ > - § <« « 6 » o 2 i ! oa-- " rt O aart " ~ o ™ S ^ a PS S 3 a 2 . w . 0 __ s li I ° -2 II § ' §!§ § li 2 Is -s-l l | s §! * £ SS S 3 = 22 "" g'S ' -s S 3 £ * , 8 a ° ~ 5 , a- "to j Si * 2 i tC 0-Z . S 3

__ ~ . ^ *^ - - _ o ? 1- § " * §§ -3 2 ? S |" &~ go g cs gsu g « s-< p . < -3 < . 25 30 £ 10 £ 20 £ 600 30 28 10 20 560 35 25 10 20 500

40 23 10 20 460 45 20 10 20 400 50 15 10 ¦ 20 300 In the hope that these few remarks may prevent the sale of life presentations . I have the honour to be , your most obedient servant , A SUBSCRIBER .

Grand Lodge.

GRAND LODGE .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE EEBEMASONs' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR AND BEOTIIEE . — "Will you allow me to correct two errors in your report of the proceedings of the last Quarterly Communication of Grand Lodge , Avhich no doubt arose from a bad cold having prevented me from speaking sufficiently distinct to be heard by your reporter .

On the question of appointing a neAV Trustee , I said that I thought that before Grand Lodge was asked to appoint a Trustee without notice , some reason should be stated why due notice had not been given . On the question of the Grand Lodge Property I did not complain of the limitation in the poAvers of the Board of General Purposes , or express a hope that Grand Lodge ivould not confine them to the words of the resolutions of 1858 . On the contrary I stated that , as a

Grand Lodge.

member of the Board , I was satisfied with the powers already given ; that it must be evident to Grand Lodge from the request made by the Board that a majority of the Board desired to travel out of the instructions of Grand Lodge , and to consider the disposal of the property Avith the vieAV of increasing the tavern accommodation instead of devoting so much of the property as might be

necessary , exclusively to Masonic purpose ' s ; and that I hoped the question ivould not be referred to the Board again without a definite determination on the part of Grand Lodge , either confirming or contradicting the instructions clearly laid doAvn in 1858 . I am awaro that the individual opinion of any member of Grand Lodge is of small moment , but I should be in Grand

sorry to be supposed to haA'e supported , Lodge or elsewhere , any departure from those resolutions of 1858 , Avhich might prejudice our chances of having for the Freemasons of England a central establishment under our OAVU control and devoted to our OAVU purposes . I am , dear Sir and Brother , yours faithfully and fraternally , CHARLES HUTTON GREGORY , J . G . D . Delahay-street , Westminster , March 11 , 1862 .

Wardens And Masters.

WARDENS AND MASTERS .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . WoEsiiiri-UL SIE AND BIIOTHEE . — -Amongst the answers to correspondents in your number of the 1 st instant , I notice a statement that the Senior Warden of a lodge may laAvfully conduct the ceremonies of initiation , passing , and raising . I have heard many opinions on this subject , both pro and con , and particularly the editor of

theEfiEEJIASONS QUARTERLY REVIEAV in his ansAvers to correspondents in 1847 , states positively that such a proceeding is decidly contrary to ancient usage , and if brought before the Board of General Purposes Avould lay the loclge Avherein it took place open to severe censure and possible erasure . Now sir , I am of your opinion , I think that according to ancient usage a S . W . may legally conduct

the ceremonies , and I form such opinion chiefly for the following reasons : —In the last edition of Preston ' s Illustrations of Masonry ( 1861 ) , edited by our revered brother Dr . Oliver , I find at page 139 the folloAving statement attributed to the learned Antiquary Elias Ashmole : — "I was made a Ereemason at Wai-rington , Lancashire , Avith Colonel Henry MainAvaring , of Kerthingham , in Cheshire , by Mr . Richard Penket , the Warden , and the EelloAV Crafts on 16 th October 164-6 . " I also

find at page 142 , that amongst the resolutions past at a general assembly of the Craft , on the 27 th December , 1663 , under the Grand Mastership of the Earl of St . Albans , Avas the following : — " That no person , of what degree soever , be made or accepted a Ereemason , unless in a regular lodge , ivhereof one to be a Master or a Warden in that limit of division where such lodge is kept ,

& c . " I think it is therefore evident that in the 17 th century it Avas legal for a Warden to initiate—I have not heard of any alteration in the laAV . As this is a question involving considerable interest , especially to country lodges , perhaps some of your experienced readers will kindly favour me with their opinions and also the resolution or experience on Avhich such opinions are founded ;

perhaps our learned historian will himself express his views on the question . I would also gladly be informed whether in the eA ent of a W . M . being himself incompetent to conduct the ceremonies , and his Warden being both willing ancl able , the W . M . has a right to delegate his office to a stranger , or Avhether the S . W . could not insist the privilege of

upon conducting tho ceremonies of his own lodge . Of course I presume that there is no P . M . willing or able . Yours fraternally , EXCELSIOR . West Lancashire , llth March , 18 C 2 .

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